QuoteStoicRead the story and weep, Dave McKay, for you will never leverage your hunger for publicity and power into anything so coherent a force as Murdoch has managed---and he didn't have to pretend to be an Anointed Apostle. He was always upfront about being an unreconstructed robber-baron and he has taken his many knocks without whining. Much as I loathe Murdoch and all he represents I
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QuotezeuszorSad, that they give up their lives in order to try to BE David McKay. Do you mean Grace and Ash and Malcolm and Trevor in that statement? Do you think there is one paradigm for all....?
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What the? I haven't seen The Wave, so misread it on that account. Nonetheless, I really like your exposition.
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QuotezeuszorI believe that Mr. Ross is in fact correct, that most teenagers wants at least some discipline. They may not always be consciously aware that they want it, and they certainly won't tell their parents that they want discipline, but without it they often feel insecure, lacking direction. It is a truism that to be in one's teens and early twenties is a most difficult period
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It is clear that Dave has no respect for privacy regarding anything said to him, either by email or verbally. He has just posted an entire personal email, intended only for him, with a thin guise of hiding the identity of the writer. It is clear that the writer/cult-victim was in the depths of despair, and was writing as if he/she thought that the correspondence was private. And yet here we ha
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QuoteApolloI know we agreed to ignore those associated to the xjcs but I think we can make an exception due to the circumstances. Less that 24 hours eh? Seems you guys have a really tight agreement. What about that handshake with Zeuszor? See, if we all work together, instead of slagging off at each other, it works out better.
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Stoic, I have the copies of the correspondence to which you refer. It was initiated by yourself with a particular question of me. It was you who initated the exchange. When you were not prepared to give me bona fides for me to release the information you requested, you concluded the exchange with: QuoteStoicSo, thanks for your input--I do think that we are all working in the same genera
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QuoteFortissimo aka BrianThe focus is no longer on stopping McKay once and for all, but instead we're all supposed to feel sorry poor Kevin and his wayward dad. What on earth does this have to do with Kevin? He's been on a scholarship to Europe for ages, and has nothing to do with it..... Do you have a past gripe about Kevin, perchance?
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Casey said: QuoteIt may also be of interest to people to know that the web site that Craig directed people to is a defunct web site. It is not the present web site for the program. The present web site does not include such detailed patient information. I'll take the old web site down in a week or so, but I wanted to leave it up there now just to make a point of the fact that I am not giv
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I like to give the benefit of the doubt to anyone accused of something. It is just the kind of thing I would like to be done to me, as per the Golden Rule of do unto others.... However, Casey's web site still contains the patient details which he said he would remove, now that it has been brought to his attention. Nothing has changed.
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Thanks, Moderator, I appreciate your intervention.
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QuoteApollo I am seriously beginning to wonder what her agenda is. Do I have to have an agenda to post here? I have been posting here for over 4 years, and most of what I have posted has been about opposing the methods of Dave McKay. However, I also try to call for reason over letting loose the hounds in a blood hunt for any quarry. Make of that what you will.
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QuoteYou're falling into that trap where you compare Dave to normal human beings. Dave is not a normal human being, by any means. He doesn't feel normal human emotions. I think you might be right.
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Apollo, you are fastidious! Congratulations! While you were finding this beautiful morsel, and I love it with all my heart, and while you were finding that Dave has resuscitated his forum, I was totally elsewhere. I was having time with my extended family. I swung grandchildren from my knee! I laughed with daughters and sons... both those who are mine, and those who aren't mine, but ar
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QuoteStoicIMO, Davejc is a sociopath and a personal ruthlessness is the only conceivable, pragmatic response to any engagement with him. I am not here suggesting that he doesn't deserve to live or calling for him to be 'taken out'--just that he will attempt to dominate, for his own ends, anyone he comes across. And he has refined and honed, over many years, his ability to sniff ou
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I agree with the Battered Wife Syndrome. That is the nearest thing I can think of. Looking at each and every victims sexuality, and questioning it on an internet forum is not on. That only exacerbates the abuse; to have bystanders speculating on your sexuality. It only makes the victim's suffering worse. I like the way that the discussion is now more about battered wife syndrome than
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QuoteApolloI'm just thinking along the lines of what Franky previously suggested about many of the JCs possibly being repressed homosexuals who rather than face up to their sexuality chose to serve Dave McKay. Could Ross fall into that bracket? I reckon this is out of order, by anyone's standards, particularly those of tabloid journalists.
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I am finding all this speculation about freeganism to be totally off-topic. Dave used the freegan movement to recruit, that is clear. People like Ash and Grace have gone back to where they were before Dave seduced them from that movement That they retain links with a movement that they were interested in before meeting McKay and his recruits shows nothing other than they have returned from
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Thank you for your occasional comments and information, Fortissimo. You are a welcome contributor!
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Apollo, You seem to have a lot of information about the ISP's of posters on the XJC Form. Has Nick provided you with that? Is that what your email to him was about? No bother if it is, but let's just be clear about the cudos of your information regarding ISP's.....
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This video is really interesting. It shows how the Jesus Christians, under the cover of the Quakers, marketed the Easy English program widely across Kenya. It includes such titles as "Walk of Faith", which from the cover is a story about the JC's Nullabor walk. This is proscribed reading in an English program! Other titles are simplified copies of out of copywrite stories,
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QuoteStoicHmmmm.... the Jesus Christian site is down. And still down. I recall Dave saying something about pulling the whole web site, if he could, but I thought he was talking about Takatifu Gardens. Now that the JC web site has been down for 2 days, I think maybe he was referring to that?. Unless of course, he just doesn't have the skill to get his own web site (his legacy from the di
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Here is another quote which would be more appropriate for that signature, Dave: "Money which could have assisted Reinhard with his rehabilitation and compensation was frittered away on a fleeting worldly luxury cruise, which was something Dave has said he had always dreamed of doing."
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It's bizarre that Dave has changed his signature to being a quote from me. I would have thought one from Jesus would be more appropriate, given his calling.
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Dave has said: QuoteThis post from the British version of Brian Birmingham (not Brian himself, but someone equally obsessed): This is a strange turn of events. Until this post, Dave has been convinced that Bryan from Scotland is Brian from Texas. His omniscience in the past has been staggering, given some of the conspiracy theories he has stated as fact about who people are, so something mus
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Dave has made the following posting in response to my questions about the ownership of Takatifu Gardens freehold: QuoteI have stated a couple of things quite simply in relation to the old Takatifu Gardens compound in Kenya which they also refuse to accept, simply because I am the one saying it. One is that years ago a premature statement was made (on Lonely Planet, the Intentional Communities
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Dave says: QuoteI will say it again: No Jesus Christian, past or present, has ever owned the land on which Takatifu Gardens now sits. It is in the hands of a totally unrelated charity at the moment, and the name has been changed. Efforts to tarnish the name of that charity with lies about paedophilia will very likely undermine the good work being done by that charity, as well as cause consider
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Dave has said today: Quote The truth, without going into a lot of details, is that the statement was made at a time when there were plans to buy the land. However, it worked out that there was no need to buy the land, and so it never passed into our hands. I will say it again: No Jesus Christian, past or present, has ever owned the land on which Takatifu Gardens now sits. It is in the hands of a
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Dave said to Glenn: Quote"I think that this is a powerful lesson that would make a huge difference in your life if you could just learn it. Sitting on the fence appears to have been your primary contribution to the kingdom of heaven, and as long as you are even 51% certain that it is what God wants from you, I think you are in big trouble spiritually." Dave demands an "all or
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Quotehello/jezebel/FrankyI saw Alan distributing on saturday. He said that he was no longer part of the group but that he still held to the ideals of the group. He was distributing dvd's with The Tyrant Within/ Beyond Justice on. Make of that what you will. It was lovely to see Alan, he's a nice chap- but kind of heartbreaking. I don't believe the JC's have disbanded at all
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