QuoteApolloApostate DID engage Davejc in a debate. In fact he was one of the very few members who decided to engage Davejc in a debate. Most of the xjcs mob scampered (they know who they are). So what exactly is your point about Apostate?
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QuoteApolloApostate DID engage Davejc in a debate. In fact he was one of the very few members who decided to engage Davejc in a debate. Most of the xjcs mob scampered (they know who they are). So what exactly is your point about Apollo?
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QuoteApolloWhat's the deal with this Apostate fella? He seems to bend over backwards in an attempt to appear ''fair'' and ''rational''. There's far too many people looking to win browny points with McKay (former ''Shepherd'' of the notorious ''Children of God'') and King Kev. Where was Apostate when
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QuoteApolloI've just read the good news, Blackhat. Welcome back dear!!!! :-) It might be a little early to celebrate, dear friend. My latest post has been delayed, as I am sure this one will be. It seems that maybe it was a glitch which allowed me to post immediately. However, if we all ask Mr Ross to let me post instantly again, maybe he will allow it....?
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QuoteStoicI don't think that apostate only appears fair and rational, I think that his is the most rational voice on the xJC's forum. I agree. Apostate is the most steadfast and measured X member of the JC's. He has been there, done that, and has since acquired much wisdom and understanding of Dave and his ways. He is an example to all those who are now XJCs, and are looking to f
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I need to apologise for the yellow swim/body suit in the above clip. Apart from that, it is an awesome song and performance: stupendous lyrics and vocals, and the guitar solo is legendary. What can I say? It was the 80's, and so I guess we have to overlook the fashion faux pas of decades past, and remember that our children will be seeking them out in thrift shops as the new groovy thing in
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QuoteMalcolmas the "cult personality" fades with the distance of time LIVING COLOUR - CULT OF PERSONALITY “And during the few moments that we have left, we want to talk, right down to earth, in a language that everybody here can easily understand.” (Malcolm X) Look in my eyes, what do you see? the Cult of Personality I know your anger, I know your dreams I've been
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Thanks for that Mal. I agree with you completely on all things. I particularly like: QuoteMalcolmCiaran has "substance" to his non-convential lifestyle...COMPLETELY unlike that fraud McKay, and QuoteMalcolm They (Catholic Workers) make McKay look the shallow, narrow minded, self important, small, small man....he always was, all along! Right now he is making a big thing of my n
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Thanks. I have other fish to fry right now, but I'll be back......
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QuoteStoicWhat I currently fail to understand is why Blackhat is here on this thread constantly attempting to convert us to a similar belief in Davejc's endless wordy justifications for his appalling behaviour. Blackhat is free to believe whatever Blackhat wants to believe about Davejc, but why try to proselytise those beliefs here? The arguments are so thin as to be laughable, and the time
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QuoteStoic"As you pointed out earlier, it is psychologically more congruent when the decision to break away is, to a large degree, made by the follower, not thrust upon him by others." Have you any information suggesting that it wasn't the followers' wishes which led to the Jesus Christians officially disbanding? Everything I have read suggests that it was a group decisio
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QuoteMalcolmDear Stoic, Must say that I felt much the same as you did, reading the history of Berg and his malpractise....in the sense that McKay's chicanery appeared to have been almost "scripted" (David imitating whatever he thought might possibly benefit him at all....).... ....going "underground" though with a little over a dozen in his "flock" still t
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I too have spoken with people who have met Cairan O'Reilly, and all reports of him are that he is an outstanding man, someone who should get some kind of award for service to Earth and those who dwell in it....just my own observation for what it's worth.....Davejc is most likely convulsed with envy that Roland and Sue have hooked up with him....he is everything Davejc would like to be,
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QuotehelloI believe that Roland and Sue want the best for their son , which is one of the reasons they left the Jesus Christians. I hope this sets your mind at rest a little. Thanks for that, it explains a lot....
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You are right, it was a cheap shot. No excuses. Just couldn't resist the temptation. Apologies.
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QuoteAbundantLifeNowBlackhat, I don't understand how you term anything as a witch hunt and I don't see how you can defend the Gianstefani's in their upbringing of their son. Do you really feel Danny has had a fair chance? Do you think Danny will be equipt to face the real world and to get along with others or will be only know how to be an angry rebel without a cause or really, a r
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From what I understand, people who choose to lead a radical life are rich pickings for a cult leader. That is what makes cults evil, they prey upon people with a vision for a different world. But the world needs people who are radical, and if those people are free from a cult, then they can continue the radical, anti-mainstream ideals which were preyed upon by the cult leader. Grace is a
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QuoteAbundantLifeNowI had hopes when Sue and Roland left the cult of McKay that they would try to lead more normal lives for the sake of their son So what is your idea of a more normal life? This is a forum about cults. Living a radical life is not the same as a cult. I fear that the shift here is muddying the waters between people who chose to live a radical life, and people who are cult le
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This is not off-topic, as I am responding to several posts already here on this thread.... Famous home-schooled children: Constitutional Convention Delegates · Richard Basseti - Governor of DE · William Blount - U.S. Senator · George Clymer - U.S. Representative · William Few - U.S. Senator · Benjamin Franklin · William Houston – Lawyer · William S. Johnson · William Li
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QuoteApolloYou have a massive chip on your shoulder Blackhat. You have offered nothing to this cause for months now. You only seem to appear when you're having a go at me. Why are you even here? First of all, this is a personal attack upon a poster, and I ask Rick Ross to deal with this according to the rules. Secondly, I have been here for over three years. The reason is in my history,
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QuoteMalcolmThe "Christians" first encountered the "Catholic Workers" in Brisbane in the early 80's. I think that the organization(unintentionally!) serves as a "half way" house, for those trying to escape the indoctrination of McKay and seeking to "reconfigure" their world (McKay would be aware of this and probably makes little more, than one snide re
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QuoteMalcolmThe Catholic Workers are a wonderful institution that I would heartily endorse. Agreed wholeheartedly. I'm glad that the Gianstefanis have found a relevant movement to support, instead of Dave McKay's dubious teachings which have little or no social value. Well done, Sue, Roland and Danny! QuoteApolloThese tree huggers need to get up off their arse and get a job inst
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What Davejc has written about Davidito has been protected, with only the inner circle able to read what Dave has written. Dave has tried to hide his writings about this case. However, I managed to find this unprotected version, and I copy it now for the record... QuoteDave McKay Davidito: By their fruits... When I first met the Children of God, more than 30 years ago, they were already ge
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QuoteDave'The story of Davidito is, indeed, a tragic one. What he suffered at the hands of The Family is not very nice. But what he suffered at the hands of hate-filled cult-busters is what finally led to this murder-suicide. Obviously, the people who more or less put Davidito up to doing this (the anti-cult ex-members of The Family) blame The Family for what happened, and justify that yo
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I thought that was the most reasonable thing she said!
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I understand your zeal, Apollo. If I had a case to put to the authorites, I would, but I don't......
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QuoteStoicForsake all? So who paid for the very obvious dental work? We have some good dental assistance here in Australia for pensioners. I'm not sure if Viagra is on the pensioner scheme (see photo).....
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Quote Franky only deserves praise for her actions... ...and McKay only condemnation for his!... ...pejorative terms such as "vigilante" representing the predictable resort, to falsely discredit his critics for this decrepit, and pathetic old "Rumplestiltskin" There were NO "innocent people" wrongly reported....and McKay was rightly reported!! From viewi
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I have viewed Franky's video: and I have read Dave's accusation: QuoteDaveFranky recently reported virtually the entire membership of the JCs before graduation (based on any names appearing on our testimonies page) as being suspected paedophiles, and called on others in the vigilante movement against myself to do the same around the world, stressing that I failed in my duty of
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QuoteApolloFree discussion my arse! LOL OK, here's a test as to whether this is free discussion. Some time ago I posted about a strange adolescent act by one of the people involved in the JC's, where he admitted and was remourseful for an abuse he did while a mixed up teenager. I maintained at the time, that this person does not have the hallmarks of a paedophile, and that many mixed
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