It probably is just one big game to her. Similar to Glen I think she enjoys playing both sides of the field.

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Apollo
It probably is just one big game to her. Similar to Glen I think she enjoys playing both sides of the field.

The focus is no longer on stopping McKay once and for all, but instead we're all supposed to feel sorry poor Kevin and his wayward dad.

This whole thing has become a farce, a joke. Kevin's trolls will always seek to play with this forum like a gang of rodeo clowns.

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Fortissimo aka Brian
The focus is no longer on stopping McKay once and for all, but instead we're all supposed to feel sorry poor Kevin and his wayward dad.

What on earth does this have to do with Kevin? He's been on a scholarship to Europe for ages, and has nothing to do with it.....

Do you have a past gripe about Kevin, perchance?

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Yasmin provides an explanation on the xJC forum as to why Blackhat did not offer her own details in exchange for the demands for mine, ie. that Blackhat assumed I was already aware that her real world ID had previously been 'outed' here:

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While I can accept that Blackhat assumed wrongly, that still provides no satisfactory explanation for the obssessive fixation on identifying and seeking private details on the anonymous posters here on this anonymous forum. It still smacks to me of power games.

I do have a real world identity but it is no longer (and now several times removed from) my 'birth' identity. Indeed my birth identity was discarded at an early age and I have no qualms about the discard of any subsequent identity if those details should fall into the hands of persons who might constitute a threat to me.
Static identity, as such, no longer means very much to me-- a situation that wasn't chosen by me but was a necessity at one time. While the necessity is no longer so pressing, the long habit of being close-mouthed and defensive about my private details has served me well and I see no reason at all to discard that habit to satisfy the whim of an unknown person on a internet forum.

I expect to give the same consideration for any other poster here, ie. guard their privacy and anything said in confidence.

I have to say, Blackhat, that I feel no obligation to earn your trust or prove my credibility to you.
Your demands in that area are markedly similar to the controlling demands that Davejc makes of his correspondents---surely you have the wit to see where he is going with those demands and to what use he puts any information he might glean and why your aping of his behaviour in this regard is suspect?



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Stoic,

I have the copies of the correspondence to which you refer. It was initiated by yourself with a particular question of me. It was you who initated the exchange.

When you were not prepared to give me bona fides for me to release the information you requested, you concluded the exchange with:

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Stoic
So, thanks for your input--I do think that we are all working in the same general direction and with the same purpose in mind. It is a difficult and tricky path to negotiate.

I really think that says it all, but if you require me to post the entire exchange, then I am prepared to do so.

I believe this should be the end of your aspertions on my character.

Thank you.

Here we go again with petty bickering.

Please stop it now.

Blackhat, I am not casting aspersions on your character, of which I know nothing--and can know nothing, apart from what you post here-- just pointing out that your main concern in every pm exchange that I have had with you ( the original exchanges initiated by you from the beginning) has not been Dave McKay, the subject of this board, but questions about my real world identity and private details.

If I ask you a question you are free to answer or not, I don't appreciate having my arm twisted to supply my personal details. There isn't a piece of information on earth for which I will succumb to such behaviour.

I have no reason to assume that your main concern with other posters here is any different, ie. getting hold of their private details for reasons of your own.



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This content has been posted previously, however, I thought I'd put it up once more, seeing how David yet again, went to the trouble of reminding me how accurately it describes him, when he posted this:


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Dave
I'm going to make one more attempt at communicating a plea for some common sense on the X site. I've tried just about everything I can think of, without much success, so it's doubtful that this will work. Nevertheless, one (last?) try.


How is David manipulative here? He insinuates "obligations" owed to him that do not exist and is patently engaged in "reaction formation" (fabricating histories that justify his behaviour while discrediting his critics) and "projection"......

He has NEVER made an honest "attempt to communicate"(where he takes responsibility for his behaviour)....he implicitly implies that this site lacks "common sense" (whereas it is in fact , it is HIS own propoganda broadcasts that are nonsensical).....he has indeed, tried everything he can to deliberately engender self doubt in those who post critically of him....and has further endeavoured to play on the guilt of those who might be sensitive to accusations that they have somehow "unfairly" hurt his feelings.... "It's doubtful this will work"....and "one (last?)try"....are phrases intended to evoke sympathy for him....over (the invention) of previous efforts at "reconciliation" he lies that he has struggled to make.....


Glibness/Superficial Charm

Language can be used without effort by them to confuse and convince their audience. Captivating storytellers that exude self-confidence, they can spin a web that intrigues others. Since they are persuasive, they have the capacity to destroy their critics verbally or emotionally.

Manipulative and Cunning

They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self

Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." Craves adulation and attendance. Must be the center of attention with their own fantasies as the "spokesman for God," "enlightened," "leader of humankind," etc. Creates an us-versus-them mentality

Pathological Lying

Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt

A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions

When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion, it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love

While they talk about "God's love" they are unable to give or receive it. Since they do not believe in the genuineness of their followers' love, they are very harsh in testing it from their devotees and expect them to feel guilt for their failings. Expects unconditional surrender.

Need for Stimulation

Living on the edge, yet testing the beliefs of their followers with bizarre rules, punishments and behaviors. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy

Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. Their skills are used to exploit, abuse and exert power. Since the follower cannot believe their leader would callously hurt them, they rationalize the behavior as necessary for their (or the group's) own "good" and deny the abuse. When devotees become aware of the exploitation it feels like a "spiritual rape" to them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature

Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others. The followers only see them as near perfect.

Early Behavioral Problems/Early Juvenile Delinquency

Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability

Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blame their followers or others outside their group. Blame reinforces passivity and obedience and produces guilt, shame, terror and conformity in the followers.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity

Totalist leaders frequently practice promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. This is usually kept hidden from all but the inner circle. Stringent sexual control of their followers, such as forced breakups and divorces, removal of children from parents, rules for dating, etc.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle

Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future. Many groups claim as their goal world-domination or other utopian promises. Great contrast between the leader's opulent lifestyle and the followers' impoverishment. Support by gifts and donations from the followers who are pressured to give through fear and guilt. Highly sensitive to their own pain and health.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility

Changes their image and that of the group as needed to avoid prosecution and to increase income and to recruit a range of members. Is able to adapt or relocate as needed to preserve the group. Can resurface later with a new name, a new front group and a new twist on the scam.

Other Related Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them

Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them

Authoritarian

Secretive

Paranoid

Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired

Conventional appearance

Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)

Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life

Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)

Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim

Incapable of real human attachment to another

Unable to feel remorse or guilt

Extreme narcissism and grandiose

May state readily that their goal is to rule the world


(..so very much like Gaddaffi's pathological deceit, purposely, preventing the worlds' media from witnessing the hundreds he has deliberately had killed while purposely wailing as loudly as possible about several accidental deaths caused by NATO....(here assuming these not to have been faked!).....)

Here's JCs troll Glen with his McKay influenced end times web serial ''End is Near''.

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Stoic
Blackhat, I am not casting aspersions on your character, of which I know nothing--and can know nothing, apart from what you post here-- just pointing out that your main concern in every pm exchange that I have had with you ( the original exchanges initiated by you from the beginning) has not been Dave McKay, the subject of this board, but questions about my real world identity and private details.

If I ask you a question you are free to answer or not, I don't appreciate having my arm twisted to supply my personal details. There isn't a piece of information on earth for which I will succumb to such behaviour.

I have no reason to assume that your main concern with other posters here is any different, ie. getting hold of their private details for reasons of your own.

What you describe is very similar to what i've experienced.

She's even sent me various links to Facebook accounts in her bid to identity me. Each time she had located the wrong person, thankfully.