I was cautious when Dave registered on the XJC Forum. I've just been watching. It was all really interesting [...] Then something happened which blew me out of the water. Dave on his own forum seemed to me to try to "order" the "Graduates" not to go to the XJC Forum: QuoteMy participation there should not be taken as encouragement for ANYONE else to post there. I ha
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QuoteStoicshe likens such direct questioning to an invitation to the one questioned to implicate themselves in inappropriate behaviour in a public forum. No-one with any sense of self-preservation is going to do that willingly, nor should they. Only a person very secure in themselves is going to be that open in response to such intrusive questions--not many of us are that secure. Thanks Stoic,
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Dave has confirmed that RR and Brian are correct, if you can believe him. So do you believe him, or is he messing with you with lies? I don't know, but he says: QuoteDave McKayAnd "disbanding" or "imploding", whatever you want to call it, is never complete until they have totally rejected the teachings. Then there's the great debate over whether or not we have
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Quoterrmoderator"When cult groups actually do collapse former followers typically have lost respect for the leader. Subsequently, they disregard and pay little attention to what the former leader tells them or commands. " QuoteStoicI personally think that he is using this hiatus time to clean up the records that might reflect badly on his new improved venture and that would include hi
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QuoteHey Apollo :) Just to clarify - Alf is NOT the member who confessed to molesting the two girls. He is the person that " x " confessed to. If you scroll back and find the original post by over concerned mother you can see her testimony. For all intents and purposes Alf - like many of the now x-jcs is a highly idealistic and honourable person. We are getting used to that kind
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Tony says about you, Apollo: Quote Moreover, your tone of conversation is not welcome to me personally. Having escaped one cult leader, I do not wish to entertain another. So I'm not the only one....
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QuoteMalcolm Wesley WRESTrecentlydeparted I'm wondering where all the hostility is coming from? Blackhat I am deeply saddened that the people at the Rick Ross hate site are insisting on focusing on some of Dave more inflammatory mistakes. He did make mistakes and many of them but it would have been through his ignorance, not a deliberate wish to encourage paedophiles to join the commu
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Quote Was Alf the member who admitted to molesting his ex girfriend's 5 year old and 10 year old daughters? QuoteApollo You are disgusting. You implicate someone without even a thought as to what your question might mean for the person you address. You are a troll, even if you don't know it....
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QuoteMalcolmWould anyone like to nominate a time, that would positively "disprove" the theory that McKay will "rise from the ashes", Phoenix like with his cult all the stronger, surrounding him.....2024, 2014, next year.....19th July 2011? If a time cannot be nominated, then you are simply "mythologizing" the man....a mere "Don Quixote" of the cults... Lo
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Someone called recentlydeparted has just joined the X forum. While the immediate hope is that it is indeed Dave, it may be Sue, or Roland, or any number of "recently departed". I have just had an exchange with them which I would like to share, as it clearly states where I come from, as Apollo and Zeuszor keep asking me in their question "Blackhat, why are you here?" Quotere
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Well for a start, as I said to the moderator, I would like some respect for my postings, not some chant of "Blackhat, why are you here?" I don't want anything else from you. Feel free to post what you like, and please let me to post equally with respect. The JC's may not have disbanded. Dave may have commanded them to all keep silence after a protracted locking of his b
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Dear Moderator, Thank you for giving me another chance. I will refrain from personal attacks. In return, can you please ask Zeuszor and Apollo from saying "Blackhat why are you here?" every time I post something they disagree with? That is what has flamed me. Thanks. Also, a question for you, regarding the return of children to their families. What if Dave were to tell Joe to retu
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The other clear damage is the doctrine of making someone "volunteer" to whip their friend for some cause of Dave McKay, whether it be the Joe Johnson business, stealing some books or a showcase for Falun Gong. Dave has taken this idea of public whippings up with great enthusiasm, and it is measured by the way his followers have left him. The first to leave was Jose-David, who was ch
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QuoteStoicBlackhat, you seem very personally invested in giving Davejc a pass, minimising the damage he has done and will continue to do as long as he draws breath. Care to tell us why this is so important to you that you must attack the very people who are attempting to expose Davejc's methods and so warn, not only his current band of followers--who are currently far from free of his inf
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Why are you saying I am messaging you? If you are getting messages, they are not from me.
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QuoteApolloI will not stand back and allow it to happen again. Grand words, Apollo. So what are you going to do? Dave is broke and has lost his community, who have dumped him. Are you going to sit there in Scotland and monitor Dave in Australia, to make sure he doesn't do it again? (whatever it is, maybe yell "do you masturbate" at some kid like an old senile degenerate) The
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Nobody has called me "dear" but Zeuszor. Now I have Apollo calling me "dear".
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"Don't worry about it dear" Sounds like Zeuszor to me. How many times has he called me dear? I have them all saved......
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There has been a remarkable turn-around on Dave's part since the "disintegration" of the Jesus Christians. I use that word because Dave has yet to use it. He has used a few other words like disbanded, re-grouped, certain changes, graduation, "greater show of unity"....... While the "greater united group" made a decision that Dave shouldn't look at the &q
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You still haven't slept. Where are you? I think you might be in Australia. That makes sense with the timing of the postings....
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Why are you here? And please learn the use of the apostrophe, particularly if you hope for a career in journalism.
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You are completely up the wrong tree on this Apollo. You are obsessed with trying to find sexual crimes, or anything you can throw at Dave. The incident had nothing to do with sex, I have read about it before. And you can do the same if you do your homework before you come out with stuff like this. Read the archives before you come out with any more of your tripe. There are many things
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And you are still awake?
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There has been a remarkable turn-around on Dave's part since the "disintegration" of the Jesus Christians. I use that word because Dave has yet to use it. He has used a few other words like disbanded, re-grouped, certain changes, graduation, "greater show of unity"....... While the "greater united group" made a decision that Dave shouldn't look at the &q
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So I take it that you are turning DOWN the heat, given your preferred breakfast television broadcasts?
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QuoteApolloI have had time to consider my new years resolution. I feel I have let standards slip over the last month or so. I have been far too forgiving towards McKay and for this I apologise. It is time to turn up the heat. My ultimate goal for 2011 is to see Dave McKay (former ''Shepherd'' of the notorious ''Children of God'' & paedophilia apol
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Thanks for all your work, Apollo. The thread would not be the same without you!
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Regardless of Dave's legal requirements, it seems he failed in his role as Leader in this case.
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QuoteMalcolm2007?....even 2003! They were the dates of the failure to report, child sex offences, as they became common knowledge to a "gentleman" in a clearly "supervisory position"? ....well, well PAST the legislative impact of Mandatory Reporting coming into statutory effect...... Oh...well that WOULD make potentially, make prosecution of David John McKay (DOB 17th Decem
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Thanks, Stoic, that's what I was talking about. I read this early in my involvement in the issues of the Jesus Christians, and I have never forgotten it. It was a passage which made me decide that this had to be stopped. When I realised that someone with that mind-set was recruiting young people to give everything they have to him, to beg on the streets as a form of witnessing, to dona
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