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QuotetpcwocattenderWhat would benefit most Christians today is a clear understanding of church history. Remember the game when you were a kid where you whispered something in a person’s ear and they whispered it in the next, so on and so forth until you get to the end and it is discovered that the original message was fouled up? This simple analogy can be applied to the church. How long has so
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QuoteBraveHeartHere is a video that I just heard about today listening to Wretched Radio.com I just finished watching it tonight. WOW it is a must see for every Christian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuabITeO4l8 Give it a watch & see listen and tell me what your thoughts are? Good stuff. . .but where was the section on how God wants to prosper me and make me rich? And he forgot
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Quoteiattend It seems like you guys just assume all healing is fake and the churches that have healing are wacked. Nice to see ya again Iattend. These are exciting times at Turning Point Church. With the launch of United Global Ministries they have fully given themselves over to the teachings and instructions of the New Apostolic Reformation along with the likes of Todd Bently, Rick Joine
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QuoteTurningPointRejectQuoteTurningPointRejectQuoteTurningPointReject Purpose PURSUE unity within the Kingdom of God (Eph 4:1-6, 11-16) Do these verses really say what mike is inferring??? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Ferris Bueler? You pastors who have given yourselves to unity, as a man gives himself to a harlot, need to realize the reason mike ( T
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QuoteTurningPointRejectQuoteTurningPointReject Purpose PURSUE unity within the Kingdom of God (Eph 4:1-6, 11-16) Do these verses really say what mike is inferring??? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Ferris Bueler? You pastors who have given yourselves to unity, as a man gives himself to a harlot, need to realize the reason mike ( Turning Point Church )pu
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QuoteTurningPointRejectQuoteTurningPointReject Purpose PURSUE unity within the Kingdom of God (Eph 4:1-6, 11-16) Do these verses really say what mike is inferring??? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Ferris Bueler? A quote from Charles Spurgeon -Discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. It is knowing the difference between right
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TPCWOC sermon for Sunday Feb. 21: Installation Service: by false Apostle Mike Villamor is now online at TPCWOC home web site. Mike says that this is a Great day in the house of the Lord. (I agree, when are you leaving Marysville) Some Pastors from the community welcomed Jeff Barnes as the new Apostolic Pastor of the city. I believe one of the churches was the Free Methodist, I am sure the founder
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QuoteTurningPointReject Purpose PURSUE unity within the Kingdom of God (Eph 4:1-6, 11-16) Do these verses really say what mike is inferring??? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Ferris Bueler?
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Where is the Gospel? Making Jesus "famous" is NOT the gospel. The message of Jesus is a "rock of offense" and a "stone of stumbling." Jesus was (and still is) "despised and rejected of men." We cannot MAKE him famous. We can make him and his salvation known by preaching the Gospel. But there is no Gospel in this purpose statement. This purpose statement
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All of this SOUNDs good. Right? Sounds LIKE truth, does it not? Except that the truth has been twisted just a teeny tiny bit. Who can find where Mike has ever so slightly twisted the truth to suit his purposes? Yes, this is a challenge. So who is up to the challenge? Anyone? Can any Marysville Pastor see the flaws? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone? Ferris Bueller?
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Vision To facilitate relationships among pastors and churches with the common purpose of making Jesus famous. (Eph 3:7-11) Purpose PROVIDE Apostolic leadership, encouragement, training and resources to pastors and church planters. (Acts 15:30-35, 16:5, Eph 4:11-13) PURSUE unity within the Kingdom of God (Eph 4:1-6, 11-16) PRODU
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This last post was in reference to the cost for running advertising on the Sacramento News and Review web site. It also included how much it costs to send out a postcard to the surrounding 10K homes around the church that we will run the next time they do an outreach of some sort. The template for this postcard is found earlier on this forum. If you would like to join in the effort to share truth
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TPCWOC sermon for Sunday Feb.14th : Devotion to the Local Cult Church: by false prophet(The Rock) Cyndi Villamor is now online at TPCWOC home web site. Cyndi used the word church 108 times so you would not forget where you are this Sunday. Cyndi says God still loves the (cult) church through the good, bad and ugly. Cyndi says she comes from a long line of preachers and she is part of the 5th gene
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I sense there is a general disappointment with leaders in all areas-church, politics, corporate business, media, education, etc. Hence the growth of Home based churches, Tea Party, wall street backlash, decline in readership and viewerships of news organizations, and the continue growth of homeschooling. The mass exodus from Turning Point Church in Marysville is just one symptom of a larger
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Also, with no disrespect meant to Pastor Jackie or to bring up hurt, but wasnt Pastor Mike and Pastor Jeff Barnes Jackie's mom pastors for over 10 years? Did either one show up for the memorial, to be there for Jeff Moors or even to show their respect to Mrs. Royal who gave her time, life and money to tp. She was the sweetest little old woman we have ever met. Sad state of affairs when the c
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Dear TAD TruthAfterDisillusionment Regarding your comment Quote"Maybe it is just me, but I am more sympathetic to a pastor correcting another pastor, because it is not their primary function, it is to nurture sheep, which may include this...but it is a bigger event (more emotionally and spiritually taxing) in the life of a pastor than our own........ .....Now don't get me wrong. I
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Thank you all for responding. It has helped me see your point and where I might agree with you in that it is the responsibility of a pastor to confront others. Many of you missed my point. CMP and others dont see this as clearly as we do. So to form an unbiased opinion about TPC they must go through a process similar to what we went through. They are going to hurt, question themselves, then l
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Sermon for Sunday Feb.7 at TPCWOC : LEAD: Devotion: by false Prophet Cyndi Villamor is now online at TPCWOC home web site. Cyndi says they are in the middle of their Lead launch and they have repackage their Vision. She says nobody knows what their vision is, including me. Cyndi says she cannot remember it for the life of me. But Cydni can remember the New Vision.(New Revelation) Cydni says th
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TAD Thanks for posting here and raising these questions. I understand that these are somewhat rhetorical examples, However I am going to respond to them as fact, truth and reality. I have broken up your quote to respond to the questions you have rhetorically raised. QuoteTruthAfterDisillusionment I would like to bring some thoughts of mine to the table as I see them. And I think it relates to
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The book: When Cultist Ask: Authors Norman L. Geisler and Ron Rhodes :page 119 False doctrine that is publicly proclaimed from a platform-such as a pulpit, a television show, or a radio show- is to be confronted publicly according to the New Testament pattern. The apostle Paul publicly confronted Peter when his actions compromised the liberty of the gospel(Gal.2:11-14) He publicly dealt with H
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So interesting that Pastor Mike says in Sundays sermon that He has planted 5 churches???? Skagit yes 1. Surigao yes 2. Lebanon no 0 (lebanon was a Church of God church that shut down and reopened as TP- No one and no church was planted in Lebanon, it already exisited). I count 2 - it would be 3 with TPCWOC. Does Mike exagerate or what? He also metioned 50 or 60 graduates of SOMA???? hm
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CMP, I hope you will answer these two posts (quoted below) in particular. Please keep dialoging with us! Thanks!!! QuotebuddyQuoteTurningPointRejectI have some questions about the "unity in the essentials, grace in the non-essentials. In all things, love" mantra. It was first spoken by Augustine. Not Paul, or John or Peter, or Jesus. So I wonder, what unity did Paul have
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QuoteTurningPointRejectI have some questions about the "unity in the essentials, grace in the non-essentials. In all things, love" mantra. It was first spoken by Augustine. Not Paul, or John or Peter, or Jesus. So I wonder, what unity did Paul have with the false teachers of his day? I wonder, what unity did Jesus have with the Pharisees of his day? Jesus prayed that his discip
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I have some questions about the "unity in the essentials, grace in the non-essentials. In all things, love" mantra. It was first spoken by Augustine. Not Paul, or John or Peter, or Jesus. So I wonder, what unity did Paul have with the false teachers of his day? I wonder, what unity did Jesus have with the Pharisees of his day? Jesus prayed that his disciples would be one "
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Thank you CMP for responding. I think TPR said it best. The reason I was unable to separate my feelings about love and not agreeing with their doctrine. Is that every person I have met who has questioned them has ended up being "divisive" and or a "wolf". If you confront them you are suddenly outcast and suddenly unity doesn't matter. So my main point is that
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QuoteConcernedMarysvillePastorDear Truth After Disillusionment: Please don't mistake my deep love for Mike, Cyndi, Jeff and Kim (as well as others in leadership at TP) for acceptance of the NAR, the Word-Faith Prosperity doctrines or for condoning teachings like the "covering", "double honor" or the like. I believe that the idea of covering sets up unhealthy, unquesti
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Thank you Pastor, for your post. I guess I am just wondering, what is the role of a pastor? Is it to promote unity among other pastors? Is it to lead the "city" into unity? What definition of unity are these local pastors using? Is there a "cost" to pursuing unity, and who is going to pay for it? I always a ssumed that a pastors job was to look after the sheep, t
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