Quotezeuszor Like everyone else posting on RR's forum, I think that live organ donation in and of itself is not a bad idea. . They just hand me (us) this stuff, folks. Zeuszor, please do not speak for me when you say ' Like everyone else on the RR's forum, I think....' You actually have no idea what I think.
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QuotezeuszorIt never ceases to amaze me, the denial that these people are in. Talk about cognitive dissonance. Casey needs a check-up from the neck up. The human race has so many good ideas about production, wheather it's meat, vegetables, technology, or whatever; if only they were not motivated by greed in emplementing those ideas Like Lisa, I think that modern animal farming is
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QuoteapostateSome thoughts on violence, force and control. It was interesting to see Dave finally realising that when he felt gossiped against by Quakers that this could be compared with physical violence. Dave seems to have had some trouble working through that association, so lets look at some of the issues of violence, force and control as taught/practised in the JC's which might help
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QuotezeuszorDM and his people could sue me and take all of my assets. They could take everything I own, down to the clothes on my back, and leave me penniless. They could call me all the names that they could come up with and malign my character, they might even send goons to come beat me up. David might try any means to silence his critics, and I am prepared for whatever he may come up with.
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I am Muppet and am not Dogmother.
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Love to all mothers out there and especially to those who have had their motherhood undermined by Dave. Much love today X WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT MOTHERs Mothers are honoured throughout the world. Even the Lord gave due respect to the mother. The 'Bible' also throws light on the place of mother in the life of a human being. Gen 3:20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she wo
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The website says Stories are 'narrated' by the subjects themselves. The program aims to present a varied and contrasting picture of contemporary Australia and Australians from many different perspectives and to contribute to the wider spectrum of coverage of issues and individuals. Not sure how this works. If Dave is to narrate his own story it will make bizarre viewing. Do the p
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QuoteashwynQuotemuppetDave surpasses himself again with his myths. There has been no excommunication but Dave craves the limelight. There has been coverage of the group and it has been negative on the whole. What does he want? Does he want the Catholics church, the AOG and all the other churches he has infiltrated to start preaching his evolving message? Unlikely! It is a myth that all the J
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Dave surpasses himself again with his myths. There has been no excommunication but Dave craves the limelight. There has been coverage of the group and it has been negative on the whole. What does he want? Does he want the Catholics church, the AOG and all the other churches he has infiltrated to start preaching his evolving message? Unlikely! It is a myth that all the JC's have been �
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Would respond to latest PM if I could figure out how to get a message to move from the outbox to sent mail.
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Hi Malcolm, Interesting post. The significance of the number 7 is lost in the revised edition.
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Also thank you to the member who PMed this article.
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Yes, it is quite clear that he knows what he is doing from what you have posted here. The titles of his teachings here should be changed to [i]How to get them all out distributing and collecting donations. Do you have a link to the Eight ways to know his will ?
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It may be that my mention of his article on Cognitive Dissonance gave that impression. I doubt that he has studied in the traditional sense.
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QuoteMalcolm Wesley WREST...their actions ARE their "beliefs" encapsulated!! Rather that is what Dave would like us to believe. I agree that in a situation of freedom, our actions encapsulate out beliefs. Yes the JC's share the belief that they should serve God. Enter Dave who congratulates them on being one of the very rare people who have such aspirations and then shows them h
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Josh, It is not the beliefs of the Jesus Christians that cause such great concern. It is not their theology or personal faith. There is no persecution of their beliefs or of your faith. You seem to be circling Apostate with that accusation, unwittingly maybe? Dave has a history of trying to peddle that myth and it is usually at times when his actions are open to criticism. In generating the
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QuotecaitQuotemuppet sWord, You are correct in thinking that they are a bright,sincere yet misguided bunch. What a sad situation. There was a palpable sigh here when your post was put up. Frans knee jerk defence of McKay is also illustrative of the loyalty and unity within the group. Someone mentioned the 'calsification' process they go through where they need to be harde
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QuotemuppetDave did teach that 'The Bible says that those who preach the gospel are entitled to "live of the gospel" (I Corinthians 9:14), and Paul said that if we offer people something that they need spiritually, it is only right that they share with us what they have materially (I Corinthians 9: 9-11). So on that basis, we have a right to expect that the people we give th
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Dave did teach that 'The Bible says that those who preach the gospel are entitled to "live of the gospel" (I Corinthians 9:14), and Paul said that if we offer people something that they need spiritually, it is only right that they share with us what they have materially (I Corinthians 9: 9-11). So on that basis, we have a right to expect that the people we give the gospel to
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QuotecultmalleusIs dave going senile or what???? Now he thinks the whole world reads his forums! And still he persists with the LIE that he "discerned" Apostate was Tony. From their forum: Quote But virtually the whole world knows that Apostate started out as Tony and that he handed it over to Craig about the start of February, at which point Craig started practically boasting t
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QuoterrmoderatorIt is difficult to ignore the terrible destruction McKay has wrought and the many families he has hurt, including his own. IMO--McKay is an evil and deeply disturbed man, with a seemingly insatiable ego, often fed at the expense of his followers. And he has demonstrated no remorse nor concern for the harm he has caused on this thread or wherever else he posts statements thro
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Xenophone, Like your predessessor the great Attic Muse, your use of primary sources here give great weight to your historic account. Very interesting post. Thank you.
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Quotefree of DMDave is raning again. QuoteAny rational person knows that there ARE crazies in the world, and that the Internet gives them the opportunity to let out a lot of their craziness. I have no doubt that most of the RR'rs are not consciously thinking about some asassination plot, nor a suicide bomb to take the lot of us "nappy chappies" out. But unless they are rationa
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QuoteapostateQuotezeuszor Ex-members of the JCs, can you describe for me please why you tend to be critical of that group, and what your main objections are? Hmmm. OK, lets go for another trip around the merry go round. 1. David teaches and utilises deception (see past discussions about thefts and welfare fraud) 2. David teaches his group to IGNORE the teachings of Jesus in favour of h
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QuoteDogmotherThis is my first posting, just wanted to express solidarity with all you ex-JCs and thank Matilda for her work, alway provocative, sometimes /funny--if anything to do with Dave Mckay wasn't so sad. I'll post again soon. Dave, you think you knew who Matilda is, but guess what... Hello Dogmother, good to have you here with Matilda, Apostate, Zeusor, Malcolm and others
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For a man who is well practised in fending off relatives, the insults directed at an innocent grandmother should not surprise us. In fact, it would be a total surprise to hear him praise a few parents /grandparents. As a general rule of thumb, it is wise to take what he says, with a ton of salt or even to invert the meaning completely. Dave believes that the 'end justifies the means�
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Trying to secure a public apology at livingdonorsonline.org where one astute individual suggests that Dave implies some comparison to Jesus. Here is a short extract from that forum but you do need to read the lot to understand the context. Dave McKay Member since 14-Aug-05 103 posts 05-Jan-07, 02:12 PM (EST) Click to EMail Dave%20McKay Click to send private message to Dave%20McKa
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The JC's now have an entry here
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Apostate, your collection of DM sayings/ teachings is bizarre! One of the reasons he gets away with spouting all this nonsense is because it is so utterly ridiculous, that very few people would ever bother to contest it. In a way, the only people who are concerned about the JC teachings are the families and friends of members who recognise the river of lies. There is no rationality there, n
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QuoteapostateMore evidence of David Mckay's control and the obedience he DEMANDS from followers. They comply because he teaches that his authority and God's are one and the same. I am the captain of this ship. I know where we are going, because I am getting my orders from God....If he has appointed me to lead this work, then he will expect others to work in submission to me...God ha
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