QuoteJack Oskar LarmThe true 'survivors' of DJ's cult haven't even begun to speak up. The above transcript could be likened to the recent McDonald's advertisements trying to persuade us that their food is good for us. Truth is fabrication; facts stand on their own. Personally, I've heard repeated accounts of what occurs behind closed doors, but, to be fair, it is not
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QuotematildaScusi! questo e en Italiano! Interesting link Matilda, what does it say?
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Quoteapostate His "labor for hire" would be the times he sells tracts and books on the street. . He rarely works the streets. He writes articles and books and they are sold on the street daily. Books may also be marketed to schools.
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QuoteapostateQuotemuppetCan you remember when it was issued and we will request it from Dave. What more can you say on insurance claims? RE: insurance claims, one of his members in the past received a payout for an injury. It became a courtcase with his mother trying to block him giving it to the JC's. Was this in Australia? When ? Who won ?
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Can you remember when it was issued and we will request it from Dave. What more can you say on insurance claims? I know there have been a few large inheritances.
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QuoteapostateQuotemuppetApostate You wrote 'Dave once received a substantial loan from a Quaker woman that he only had to pay back if he was able. This may have gone towards that property. I am sure Dave, who is reading this, could tell us.' What do you mean by a 'loan that does not have to be repaid' ? Do you mean a gift? Why did she bestow it? How substantial ?
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Apostate You wrote 'Dave once received a substantial loan from a Quaker woman that he only had to pay back if he was able. This may have gone towards that property. I am sure Dave, who is reading this, could tell us.' What do you mean by a 'loan that does not have to be repaid' ? Do you mean a gift? Why did she bestow it? How substantial ? Matilda Thank y
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QuoteapostateQuotemuppetHarry Potter! What age are you? I take it this is a rhetorical question? Yes it is. I know you are over 21 but Harry Potter is not an adults story and not something you could compare to the Bible.
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Harry Potter! What age are you?
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Quoteapostate[ Quote Dave is working in with the Quakers on this one. He has been a member of their movement for a while now and has managed to access some funds through that channel. That is why he talks so sweetly on the "Australian Quaker Forum". There is money and respectibility involved for Dave now. Here is a link He likes to use words like "provision" from
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QuoteDave McKayHi Matilda, The Jesus Christian teaching is that before Jesus returns (Yeah, we believe that Jesus will return!) there will be a time of intense persecution against all believers. We don't set any dates. "Soon" is just soon, and in general, it seems that prophecies take LONGER than we expect to actually come to pass. We also believe that AFTER Jesus returns
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Quotecultmalleusooooh, they'll be reading this, now they'll think they're being persecuted; so OF COURSE they must be holy, holy, holy. And so ultra righteous! Wow, they must be truly sold out Jesus disciples now! Praise be! The more headlines come, the more their treasures in heaven! Oooh yes, there'll be a FLOCK of new disciples now, so inspired by public whippings of t
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QuoteapostateQuotemuppetQuoteapostateQuotecultmalleusI wonder how Dave would go with the headline "Crazy Kidney Cult Whips Arthritic Pensioner" Anyone care to enter a competition for the most way out headline for these crazy kidney cultists? Rules: must be clean, must be true. btw, have downloaded all the "stong meat" articles, thanks apostate No probs Cultmalleus
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Some information at this link, stating that DM had one and one post from a Dave McKay claiming that the JC's were building some sort of motel in Kenya. How bizarre! A motel? Why?
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QuoteapostateQuotecultmalleusI wonder how Dave would go with the headline "Crazy Kidney Cult Whips Arthritic Pensioner" Anyone care to enter a competition for the most way out headline for these crazy kidney cultists? Rules: must be clean, must be true. btw, have downloaded all the "stong meat" articles, thanks apostate No probs Cultmalleus, happy to share it arou
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QuotecultmalleusI wonder how Dave would go with the headline "Crazy Kidney Cult Whips Arthritic Pensioner" Anyone care to enter a competition for the most way out headline for these crazy kidney cultists? Rules: must be clean, must be true. btw, have downloaded all the "stong meat" articles, thanks apostate Ha Whipped Cockroaches Old Cult leader and his Mol
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Apostate, were you in during the split? and how dod Gary, Sherry and Kevin leave?
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Some tame contributions to the forum here. He knows exactly what he is doing,
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Quoteapostate Thanks for your encouragement Muppet. Were you in the JC's at all? No probs selah Apostate.
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QuoteapostateThe quote below is taken from the Jesus Christian forum. QuoteNot much power left on my computer, so I'll make this brief. We've just finished the trial in Long Beach and are celebrating a mini-escape at a fast food restaurant a few miles north of there. Joe, Jeremy, Cherry, and Dave took a total of 60 stripes from the whip on behalf of the Johnson family, who all re
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Thanks for your understanding and postive feedback Muppet. What you say is true. I can recall the mental angush I went through within the group as I struggled with some of their stuff, and then afterwards when I was discarded as "dead wood", to coin their phraseology. I can recall the struggles my mind went through as I came to accept reality. Such things can be literally physically
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DM is particularly concerned that professional 'cult-busters' can impact negatively on their recruitment. He claimed that they have a fairly high record of success in 'brainwashing people against groups if they are able to get the person before they have had deep personal involvement in the group'. This is one reason for the JC's ruthless recruitment strategies.
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This is a very useful way of assessing the group. quote="cultmalleus"]Quote Expert view Dr. Robert Jay Lifton -- author, psychiatrist and professor at the City University of New York -- testified during the Patricia Hearst bank-robbery trial as an expert on ''coercive persuasion.'' This is his ''model of thought reform'': Environment cont
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Dave, I am posting your private emails to me as they represent your divisive agenda of pulling people aside privately to try and silence them somehow. As I said in the email, rather than complain about me privately, how about responding publicly to simple questions? I paste a copy below: From: apostate To: Dave McKay Posted: 09-14-2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Howdy from Dave Edit message
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QuoteDave McKayHey Muppet (or was that puppet?), here's your chance to say something specific. You say that all of this stuff was negative. How about if you hit me right now with the absolute most damning and provable evidence against me or the Jesus Christians... right here... right now. Your chance to tell the world. Just saying that you saw a bunch of stuff that made us look bad doe
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See Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and pe
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'But I am ruling out everyone running off with their own opinions and saying that they have as much right as me to say what is right. The plain truth is that you don't.' Extracted from DM's 'Divine Authority' provided by Apostate. Well the prophets be goofed! Just about everyone here is running off with their own opinions and ideas about what is right!
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QuoteDave McKay Sorry puppet, but you failed! No I merely choose to respond in a way that I choose. You've had trouble finding all that positive stuff..huh?
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[quote="jinnythesquinny" It's abundantly clear that it's Jesus they are following and not Dave. /quote] Dave does not even believe in the Bible Jinnythesquinny and he leads the group slowly but squarely away from him.
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Quotefrom jinnythesquinny" in green T'The Jesus Christians may do some loony things, but these are mental times and perhaps mental times call for mental measures. [ Only a lunatic would herald that statement. 'Mental' times call for sane measures. 'This whipping thing is indeed mental but it doesn't make me want to ignore the rest of the cool stuff the JC
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