QuotejinnythesquinnyIn this thread there has been testimony from a friend, a member, an ex-member and the alleged "guru" of the Jesus Christians himself. This evidence is harmonious and I think it ought to be clear that there is more to the Jesus Christians than the negative stuff.)[ No jinnythesquinny it is not clear. No one has posted any evidence to refute the negatives and DM him
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quote="Dave McKay"]Hey Muppet (or was that puppet?), here's your chance to say something specific. You say that all of this stuff was negative. Yes it was negative overall . and Ronson had exclusive access to your group over a long period of time. Perhaps we have missed the objective positive reports, if they exist, in the media or elsewhere, so here is your chance
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QuoteDave McKayHi Rick, I do not like being attacked personally on the basis of subjective evidence, and so I do not wish to attack you (or Graham Baldwin) in such a way. As you yourself so often emphasise, there is a need for objective evidence to back up claims. There is objective evidence to back up my claims that the initial three-page spread in the Guardian on the Bobby Kelly 'ki
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QuoteXenophoneBoth my wife and I are ex-JCs. We have been out of the group for about 6 months now. I am now a member of a "main-stream" Christian church, but I was a member for five years and can say confidently that I've never seen any sexual misconduct. Reports about that guy having his pants taken off him in the night just sound so off the mark. If the JCs are one thing, the
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Dave wrote quote]Can't remember if it is in this thread or another one on this site, but someone has been telling some story about a 17yo guy who stayed with us and woke up one morning with no underpants on; Well, again, it was a case of someone who was just a couple weeks short of being 18. he was a ward of the state in Liverpool, who was living on his own. However, someone (officials,
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just to say there is also another thread on this group here at this message board and it might be an idea to copy the original post there. They claim again and again that they are not in any way related to the Family but the Berg influence surfaces again and again. Berg believed in corporal punishment and was extremely racist. Thank you for making this public. I
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Lies, lies and more lies Fran. I have just checked my sources again and you lied. You verbally attacked that woman before she likened you to the devil. What lies. How could you tell someone that her son was not hers anymore and that he belonged yo your group now´´
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amother outrageous episode from the JC´s.
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QuoteWhen I spoke of being present with the 19 year old, I was talking about the case when we went to the police station in the U.K. and his mother was arrested for assaulting him and later for biting one of the police officers Fran I have checked the details of this case and you are sensationalising events and telling outright lies. The mother in question was arrested but it did not i
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QuoteI came back to the site, hoping to contribute more to the thread and clarify any genuine enquiries.' Well I can see how you are disappointing oyurself then Fran because you placed yourself in a position claiming to be capable of sussing out the genuine enquiries from the not genuine. And no doubt about it in your mind ...you can do it...you can sort out the time bandits form the si
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Hi there QuoteSince some of you have asked people to provide objective evidence, I thought I would contribute some based entirely on the fact that I AM a member, so I know what things go on and what does not go on in the Jesus Christians. That is really encouraging! QuoteI would like to answer some of the issues raised (although I am a bit rushed at the moment for time, so I won't
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Just heard of another case in the UK about 6 years ago where 3 of the JC's convinced a young mother to leave her husband and empty their joint bank account. They took her and her children to a camp site in their van. She wanted to return the husbands share of the money but after consulting with the leader, the group objected very strongly. She eventually grabbed the cash and ran off, never
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The following is an extract from the jesuschristians website by David McKay and It raises some questions. 'New Kidnapping Scandal, May 20, 2006 QuoteIt's like all our past nightmares coming back to haunt us, Creating nightmares through breaking up families seems to be Dave's speciality. Not very Christ like. Quoteand yet it seems like this is going to be the patte
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See this post on ex family from the groups website The following is an extract from the jesuschristians website by David McKay 'New Kidnapping Scandal, May 20, 2006 It's like all our past nightmares coming back to haunt us, and yet it seems like this is going to be the pattern more and more in the days ahead. Yet another enraged parent has decided to accuse us o
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How bizarre!!! Are you still in touch with the young man? Would he post his experience on the board? Perhaps he remembers who was with him in addition to Roland. Anaglypta is probably wrong about power sharing in the group. Dave McKay has always been the absolute leader of the group and all members have to send him detailed and frequent reports. He has been accused of being a pathological li
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Does anyone know if its true that McKay left Kenya to avoid arrest or is this just a rumour? Jesus Christian lays down tambourine Nairobi jolly ends in resignation by Lukas Dechurched It is not common for The Rockall Times to publish news concerning the activities of private associations of Christ's faithful, except for the purposes of satire (and that doesn't count). H
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The Christians went on to be called the Jesus Christians. Liverpool writer, you mentioned that a young man was physically abused in the group. could you elaborate on that? Ana, you say you met McKay and that he plays a fine game of scabble. It is highly unusual for such a group to have anything much to do with outsiders so you must have impressed them tremendouly to get to meet their leader
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