Hi Malcolm, That is an interesting viewpoint and not one I feel qualified to comment on, not being well versed in the area of legal precedence. It would be interesting to know what experiences you had in the group, which demonstrate this 'bias' or a tendency to 'fabricate history'?
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Some confusion here, Malcolm. Matilda, can you help with this?
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Probably every ex member is your answer! Glad to hear you are free from intimidation cultmalleus. :)
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Hi Gladitzover, Yes, Dave hates the parents of those he recruits because they represent a challenge to him and also a threat. He wants to control and manipulate them. He feels very threatened that any access he allows will result in the recruit leaving the group. Those he feels most threatened by, he attacks the most. Verbal attacks where he labels family members as írrational or his
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QuoteThen, in the spring of '72, Dad began to wield some new "scare tactics" designed to shift the direction and momentum of his Revolution for Jesus. It was now time for the "Great Escape", a special warning revelation he received from the spirit world. On April 24, 1972, he announced: "The storm of God's judgments upon the ease and luxury of these nations, par
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Yes Apostate, Co-narcissism aptly describes some of the JC´s. Malleus is quite right too in that the motivations of the rank and file members are sincere in the beginning until the ´vipers poison´is injected and then they begin to emulate the leader and believe his twisted lies.
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Dave may just be so emotionally deficient and damaged that he is completely self centered. The idea that he is not the centre of the universe might never occur to Dave. I agree with Apostate that Dave appears to twist all of the teachings of Jesus. Here are a few verses he should read over and over... “If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? Or
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muppet Member Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 69 Posted: 05-22-2006 10:36 AM Post subject: Deception -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How bizarre!!! Are you still in touch with the young man? Would he post his experience on the board? Perhaps he remembers who was with him in addition to Roland. Anaglypta is probably wrong abou
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Jack, You may be interested in Jon Ronson's book Them which is available at amazon and also his website www.jonronson.com also this link David Icke, for all his wild theories, seems harmless, in comparison with some of the subjects of this forum, dont you think?
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Quotematildahttp://www.livingdonorsonline.org/dcforum/DCForumID7/3602.html#29 Extract from a post by Dave McKay This post is by an unregistered user. Please encourage users who care enough to post to register, too! 16-Nov-06, 04:00 AM (EST) 25. "RE: Dave McKay's 'kidney cult' flogged on Fox" In response to message #24 LAST EDITED ON 16-Nov-06 AT 04:01 A
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Aggression is futile in my book. It does not accomplish anything. How was it in the Hare Krishnas?
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Have you always been religious Zeuszor? You seems to know the bible by rote!
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Do you preach publicly or just on this forum? Can you stop the aggressive rhetoric, please.
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On the one hand, you are setting up meetings with the JC's and on the other, you are addressing DM in an aggressive fashion. Are you responding to some of those private messages you mentioned or what is the story? Were you involved with this group ?
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There is truth in what you say, Apostate, but ignoring the antics of DM will not curb his progessive extremism. Matilda, all of your points are eerily familiar and I will comment on them in a seperate post. DM can no longer say that there is not one ex member who has spoken out against him. With the exception of Zeus, the moderator and Anita, this board can speak from personal experience. Con
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QuoteapostateQuotematildaUnclear about this. Were Liz and Rachel recruited/ adopted? Who was the girl from the orphanage in India? St Vincent de Paul is Catholic charity.[/quote Rachel was adopted and ended up walking across the nullabour when she was 11 or 12. Liz joined from Bangalore I prefer not to name the girl from the orphanage thank you for responding apostate. difficult
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Quite a chameleon !! What age was the girl when she ' joined'?
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Was he recruited from the orphanage ? or not? I understand the orphanage was also denominational ( was it Catholic or Baptist?) and would have required houseparents from that denomination?
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Was Christopher an orphan / minor or an adult ?
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What end did h e desire? Was there a christopher involved somewhere?
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Dave and cherry were house parents at an orphanage in India at one stage ? Anyone know the story?
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DM says QuoteI got the chance to be a fly on the wall in terms of what must go on almost constantly in some circles of our most devout critics. And this is what I discovered: They express a lot of emotion. In fact, I would say that well over 90% of what they say is DM discovered that 90 % of what we post is emotion and reports his findings to the group! One explanation of his lack
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Dave has shown , yet again, the depth of his hatred for his members and for their families. He enjoys this power trip, even as he cried out in pain. I agree Apostate, that he remains angry but it is more than that, there is actual hatred. He enjoyed the pain and anguish that he caused to others there. That sudden angry glint in his eye that is so familiar to ex members. Interesting that h
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Thanks Mat, Does anyone know if there is access to Fox news online??
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QuoteapostateQuoteJack Oskar LarmDave has become awfully quiet... Dave is discussing whether he would kill for Christ on this thread Didnt he write an article called 'killers for Christ' or something like that? DM's story books eg 'Survivors' have some related claims, the saints when angered cause volcanoes, breathe fire and fly around like houseflies! Thei
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QuoteDave McKay Six years later, I can only guess what was said, if, indeed, I ever spoke to that reporter at all. I just know what the facts were. *I* did not have the boy (because I was in Australia at the time), and I did not KNOW where he was in England, and (for obvious reasons) did not WANT to know. Why did you not want to know? Were you not concerned that tax payers money was b
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Gladitzover, Apostate, Cultmalleus, freeofDM, Matilda, Jack Oskar Larm, Snuggles, Thank you for sharing information and experiences here. It is a very liberating thread because of you and what you have shared. It is very clear now to everyone that the JC's are, on the whole, very altruistic, idealistic and basically nice people who were taken advantage of by Dave and had no idea what y
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QuotecultmalleusQuoteThank you for those positive comments, Cultmalleus. Please do try to stay positive in whatever you do. Your welcome. I do. I would hope you might allow your wife to have unconditional contact with her children. That would be a positive step. We can choose to end generational abuse, with our own children. And stop messing around with the lives of other people and the
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QuotesnugglesWhat on earth is going on here. Let me get this straight. This Dave Mcay has three kids who have left the Jesus Christians? -Who are now adults with their own lives and maybe even families of their own. Presumably they know what he is really like and up to, including the devastation he has reeked on a whole host of OTHER families. So why don’t they go public and expose hi
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QuotesnugglesIs the Deborah, who suffered violent abuse at the hands of her father the same Deborah that david may metions when he offers a kidney from 'genuine' young african girl on the doner site. it seems fast that she rejoined the group in jan and by july has decided This is tragic! Deborah won't be in an emotionaly fit state to make a decision like this. It's hear
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