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7 years ago
suenam
QuotestpauliQuotesuenam...empowerments are not just "meant for blessing" - that itself is a dualism perpetrated by Nydahl - they are self-empowements to practice, not blessings coming from outside. Suenam, there are different types of empowerments. What Rudi refers to as a "blessing empowerment" is an empowerment given publicly to anyone where you will not receive any precis
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7 years ago
suenam
QuoteRudiYes, I attended quite a few empowerments, but they were meant for blessing and of course not given by Ole, but Lopön Tshetschu, Shamarpa, Karmapa and others. This is why I assumed he actually does not teach the Tantras, but rather talks about Tantra in general a bit here and there. You are correct and this highlights an important issue here (although empowerments are not just "meant
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7 years ago
suenam
QuoteRudiI wasn't aware he teaches any Tantra at all. And if he does, I never thought he teaches the lowest ones which emphasize ritual. Which of his statements do you have in mind when you say the he teaches the lower ones? Do you mean the 8th Karmapa meditation, which he actually does not really teach, but instead leaves to the traveling teachers to teach? Or do you mean when he talks abou
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7 years ago
suenam
A "root Lama" is the one who introduces you to the basic nature of non-dual "reality". QuoteSteveLpoolThe guru is not an individual who initiates a person, but the person's own Buddha-nature reflected in the personality of the guru. Nydahl teaches only the lower, outer tantras, so it isn't really applicable here, as he seems to firmly believe that the outer is t
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8 years ago
suenam
Quotekaram-mudraThat is tibetan superstition. I prefer other diagnoses. You are the one who used the term "open kundalini". It would be understandable if you did not want to give out an alternative diagnosis, but that would make it hard for anyone not familiar with these terms to understand what was being discussed.
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8 years ago
suenam
Quotekaram-mudraHere the link to the researches: What this does show is that there are a variety of different possible reactions, which is why one cannot really generalise from any single instance. The central channel and the two side channels you refer to are the arteries, veins, and central nervous system, the chakras being places where they meet. It sounds like you were suffering from rlu
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8 years ago
suenam
QuoteBackAtHomeDo I understand this correctly: Are you confirming that a person can achieve the ability to intentionally manipulate the energy centres of another person in a very fundamental and irreversible way with this other person: This was the way Karam-mudra described it and I was referring to her understanding of what had occurred using the same terms. I wasn't making any claims to th
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8 years ago
suenam
Quotekaram-mudraQuote from this blog: "You know the story about the mahasiddha Ghantapa? People judged him based on their very limited worldly perception of him and his courtesan, when in fact they turned out to be emanations of Heruka and Vajrayogini. Perhaps this is a universal lesson: We don’t know as much as we think, and appearances can be deceptive." In my eyes you did not g
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8 years ago
suenam
QuoteBackAtHomeRight, that's why we need a lot of grains of truth to get the whole story. That's why I'm asking for real support here, not for answers trying to obscure the facts. It is not any reasonable to deny the fact, that some people are able to control the mind states of some other people. There are many different techniques for that like - a boss overpowering an employ
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8 years ago
suenam
Quotekaram-mudra@suenam: You have an idealistic view -it is normal acccording your education in the western culture - on what liberated people do or not. To be liberated does not mean to be a good human, in opposite. The postulate is here that whatever a enlightened person does it is automaticlally the best for all sentient beeings, wether he kills or heals or curses or lies or has sex with
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8 years ago
suenam
QuoteBackAtHome(But still - given the reports about "brainwash", "using Dzogchen as valium", "jump in the Danube" etc. in this discussion thread - I think this question is in general related to Mr. Nydahl. So why not share relevant information about this here in public, so that other people have access to it, too?) Corboy, your messages seem to be based on a lot o
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8 years ago
suenam
@ karam-mudra If Nydahl has acted harmfully, how can you maintain that he is as liberated as far someone in Vajra-Buddhism can be? As I have mentioned many times, Nydahl's "vision" of the world is utterly dualistic and if he is "liberated" then it fails to show, so consequently the transmission to his students is contaminated with his personal (dualistic) viewpoint.
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8 years ago
suenam
QuoteBackAtHomeI disagree. In which example wasn't a Guru or a Lama in his position without having at least a group of followers, if not a hierarchical system of devotees, monchs, nuns or the like? Everyone at the top of a hierarchy is a leader, yes? So a Guru or a Lama alone by his position is already a leader. Some of them may seem to have overcome their "personality" in the mean
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8 years ago
suenam
QuotecorboyTo Suenam QuoteI disagree with you here for two reasons. Firstly, the "accountability and fiscal transparency that is considered necessary in Western democratic society" is great in theory, but in many cases it may be seen that even the western institutions fail to conform to this ideal. But..it is stated that this is what our Western insitutions are supposed to aspire
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8 years ago
suenam
@Corboy I disagree with you here for two reasons. Firstly, the "accountability and fiscal transparency that is considered necessary in Western democratic society" is great in theory, but in many cases it may be seen that even the western institutions fail to conform to this ideal. Secondly, concerning any overarching authority, none such exists for Vajrayana, and the examples you ga
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8 years ago
suenam
Quotekaram-mudraHi dariusb, that´s an interesting information. They managed to take down the blog. It was quite insightful, a lot of informations about Nydahl´s biography within tantric-tibetan Lamaism, his connections to the so called high incarnations and the basics of his point of view were represented. So I think Nydahl wants to uphold the leading definition about his work with the res
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8 years ago
suenam
Quote~*~ k a t e ~*~I guess if you are brainwashed enough to believe that Ole Nydahl is a Lama, a tulku, and that he can switch rainbows on in the sky (yes I've read hate mail to former members saying that!), then disregarding/ignoring/mentally blanking out police evidence is a small feat... "Space is Information" was another favourite DWB maxim which turns the clarity of Buddhism
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8 years ago
suenam
QuoteSteveLpoolNydahl claims that Muslims are using our western democratic stuctures to undermine democracy and, to some extent, he is right. This argument would carry a lot more weight if Nydahl was promoting the values of democracy. The fact that his own stance is also a cynical attempt to undermine democratic values is what puts him in direct competition with Islam. Made even worse because whi
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8 years ago
suenam
QuotecorboyJamgon wanted us to get our minds confused so he could stick our thought processes on a dagger and immobilize scrutiny of Ole and the DW organization. Actually I think jamgon's posts show us just how Nydahl's students are indoctrinated. As SteveLpool pointed out, there is a filtering out of any information which would give a balanced view combined with a repeated hammerin
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8 years ago
suenam
QuotejamgonOf course, as per the Middle Way teachings, phenomena do not exist in an absolute way. This is what Ole resolutely covered in the very next sentence (which Suenam decided to ignore): Space and its richness of potential pervade beyond the concepts of what is and what is not. So space (Dharmadhatu) which is absolute and timeless in nature is beyond the concepts of existence and no
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8 years ago
suenam
QuotejamgonTo claim that there is nothing absolute in Buddhism is an extreme of nihilism.. Well I think you will find that Nagarjuna has often been viewed as espousing a nihilistic view. Personally I disagree, however his argument is obviously too subtle for those who see it as nihilism, yourself and Nydhal included. At the risk of repeating myself, spamming a load of quotes is no real substit
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8 years ago
suenam
Nice one Kate, Maybe consider adding something about how DWB's extremist reputation has attracted a significant right-wing element and how the prevalence of young uneducated skinheads in DWB has lead to some allegations of abuse from ex-members... also in the bit about ex-members being called "mentally ill" and break contact with former friends - maybe mention how this "
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8 years ago
suenam
I figured I'd better give an example... QuoteSteveLpoolSo am I in error to think that divisive speech regarding race and religion, extra-marital affairs and indulging in sexual acts with students is wrong? Have I misunderstood something fundamental to Buddha’s teaching’s in holding the view that all the above is harmful? I’d be interested in hearing your views. QuotejamgonSteve: You ca
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8 years ago
suenam
Quotecorboyjamgon wrote: QuoteAs Corboy stated early in the thread those defending Ole need not even be here (or words to that effect). If you are trying to have a rational debate on the issues which bug you this may not be the right venue. The raison d’etre of this forum is to “express and address” concerns, not to debate whether these concerns are justified. Jamgon, are you defending O
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8 years ago
suenam
QuotejamgonSuenam: You claimed: There is no "timeless essence" or any absolute "something" to be found anywhere in Buddhism proper, and certainly no idea that the absolute is a sentient knowing thing. Every single part of this sentence is wrong - see Nagarjuna's verses 1, 8 and 65 (or one of the dozen other sources I quoted). Peace What you have done here is
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8 years ago
suenam
QuotejamgonOne recent example is the blatantly erroneous claim made by Suenam that there is nothing absolute and permanent in Buddhism. I linked a dozen authoritative texts directly disproving every single aspect of her missive but no one appears to care. I even quoted from Nagarjuna’s “In Praise of the Dharmadhatu” but my post got withheld as irrelevant! If your mission here is to critically exa
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8 years ago
suenam
QuoteSteveLpoolMy impression is that his words are take too literally most of the time or are interpreted in a way that suits the mindset of the individuals running the centres. ... You might say it's not Ole's problem if people misinterpret his message but actually it is his problem as the head of this organization. Bear in mind that Nydahl himself takes a literal reading of the Tant
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8 years ago
suenam
QuotejamgonSuenam: jamgon Following Suenam's logic Muslim and Christian groups have vested interest in bagging Buddhism so this is not surprising. I'm not sure what you are referring to or how you reached that conclusion. I am referring to your previous comment: I would prefer less biased sources, though. The BrusselsJournal is described on Wikipedia as "one of th
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8 years ago
suenam
QuotejamgonFollowing Suenam's logic Muslim and Christian groups have vested interest in bagging Buddhism so this is not surprising. I'm not sure what you are referring to or how you reached that conclusion. My logic was that the maximum crime figures for immigrant Muslims was no more than 2% but that you have used that to unfairly judge the other 98%. If you equate this kind of ig
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8 years ago
suenam
QuoteExodusI was in Dublin when the diamond way started... contributed to the situation there big time. Hi Exodus, thanks for contributing, I'm curious to hear your take on these events. QuoteSceptic Watcher@jamgon => Links Thank you for the new links. This is not what I asked for, however. I do not believe that 90 to 100% of rapes/assaults are commited by immigrants (100% especial
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