This question posed to 'The Man of God' during a church service in the 70's keeps lifting my spirit to this day: 'IF YOU ARE NOT THE CHRIST, THEN WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?' Even considered putting it on a t-shirt. lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > guess I do have a few good memories of the CLW.
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Ditch_Digging_Yasper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's not ridiculous to expect your clergy to have > some higher education, but it is ridiculous to > push them to get degrees from your own church > university, especially when you are in a > "shepherding" relationship with these people. Talk > about a conflict of interest
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The Living Word Fellowship, Church of the Living Word, The Living Word Church, Hargrave Family Ministries, Marilyn Farms, Hargrave Family Trust, Marilyn Trust, Judean People's Front... I'm confused. Please disregard this post!
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Well said.
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according to corporationwiki.com "Hargrave Family Ministries - A Living Word Ministry filed as an Articles of Incorporation in the State of California filed on Friday, March 26, 1982. This corporation is approximately thirty-two years old according to documents filed with California Secretary of State."
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Ditch_Digging_Yasper Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hi everyone, former TWLF member since birth here. > I was very active in the church at Shiloh. Left a > few years ago and it was the best decision I ever > made! The forums at FactNet were a big part of how > I realized how ridiculous and manipulative this > "church" is. Glad t
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> > paleface Wrote: > You know there are plastic surgeons who can help > you with that. ha
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And its really a drag when that elder that is your > trusted "designated relationship" decides that you > need to submit to him sexually. That never happened to me. But then again, I've never had big breasts.
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I was in a church where the pastor asked each person to write down the most embarrassing thing they have ever done, sign it, and turn it in. Reflecting years later, I realized it was an effective means of keeping people quiet, should they be tempted to reveal to the outside world what was going on. BTW, if I was asked today to perform this assignment, my answer would be obvious ('I joine
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palmermarilyn Wrote: >The walk was crazy, but the people were great. ha--what a summation!
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Ministries I knew that eventually had a falling out with G & M included Bob Franz, Dan Statton, Mike Shermerhorn, John Miller and Bob McClane. I was close with Bob the last few months of his life, and found out about his death when Gary announced it in a Valley service. After the announcement, Bob was labeled a spiritual failure--something I reacted to as grossly inappropriate. Perhaps it w
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > paleface Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Here's an odd question: have any of you ever > been > > held or detained on Living Word property (or at > a > > communal home) against your will? Where you > > wanted to leave, but were n
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Years into my extensive experience in TLWF, it became clear to me that any ministry that exhibited kindness and was primarily concerned about the welfare of those they ministered to, was doomed. Because that very nature would conflict with the requirement to minister "the cross"...which, in TLWF, often meant breaking people's will to the point they were malleable to the agenda of l
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Perusing some of my old emails...here's an excerpt from one in 2008, written by a former member of TLWF (20 plus yrs of service): "In the immediate days after June 4th, you had about 2000 broken hearted people who just wanted to do anything to walk with God and please Him, and were ready to come together and take more responsibility to help carry out the vision John started.
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Invisible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'd already been through a lot, had seen a lot > and ( the lot ) of what I was coming to realize > was forming with in me - and I said to myself, > with a plastic stemmed glass in hand, in having > to look up, " WHAT A FARCE ", . I drank to the > bride and the groom who I loved b
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Do you think some of those threats were simply drummed up? I remember after Gary too over, he used to come to the some of the feast services surrounded by security. It was quite the distraction. I began to wonder if it was done to give him a greater sense of importance.
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No surprise--Gary has never been shy about taking a different direction if he thought John was 'off.' I witnessed this on many occasions.
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Does it still exist? Or has it been disbanded? Or simply displaced by the Maroons...
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Maybe this is one of those things I intentionally blocked out of my memory banks because it seemed so nonsensical and pretentious, even by TLWF standards--not sure.
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The inner cult is "the purples". (i.e. Marilyn's > army) Seriously? I've never heard of this. Why 'purples', BTW?
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Invisible: "It is my view point that the ministry could have asked you and your wife if you would be willing to move to another location and if you and your wife agreed together and made a decision that you would be willing to relocate - that would have been O.K" Yes
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make that: "every time someone"
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jhorning Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When the leadership in the valley decided to send > my wife and I to Washington D.C.(1982;the > Dempsters were sent instead) my wife said "no" to > moving there. She told me and the cats at > comm-west she did not have a witness in her own > heart to move there. I try not to hear com
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can remember hearing Gary Hargrave say over the > pulpit many times that God had given man a free > will and He would never cross that free will up. > Then I got to wondering...."Gosh, why is it that > God will not cross our free wills, but the LW > pastors can?" Do they have more clo
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lily rose Wrote: > So since Marilyn held the purse strings and > because of the heavy conditioning and the > training not to speak up, not to criticize, not to > question, even the heavy weight ministries were > unable to demand proof to hear the tape for > themselves? In reality, there have only been a couple 'heavy weight' ministries. The others, to one ext
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From the Shiloh site, regarding what to expect from the SOP conference that begins Saturday: "This is our expectation for the School of Prophets Conference – that it will be a gathering of believers who want nothing more than to simply walk with God and from that humble place, a word of authority will be spoken that shakes this age."
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I guess I'll finally have to watch Grease and form my own opinion. I suspect I will like Rizzo, channel or not.
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I think I've mentioned this before...the fact that even if it is somehow proven that John Miller is a channel of Satan, he still is a decent human being. I'm pretty dogmatic about that...so don't bother trying to change my mind!
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That must be a blessed assurance for the > Gospodnetichs that is to say that G&M probably > won't excommunicate them. I want to say something > about the the inner circle..... You're not going to reveal that I was never in it, are you? :)
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > John and Lucy help lead the Oahu LW church. I hear they bought Gary and > Marilyn their first swank house on Diamond Head. I hope members of the fellowship aren't being lured into providing free labor to maintain this house, as part of the upward flow.
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