Thanks, Lily. I know John hated sarcasm. I think it wasn't so much the sarcasm, but the point the person was making in the guise of humor.
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Cloudwatcher Wrote: > I am with you changed-----There has got to be an > end to this travesty. I think the freedom of expression exercised in this forum can potentially be liberating to those still in TLWF who are mustering the courage to leave. At least they know there's a place, albeit online, where they can unload their burdens, and receive some guidance, without fear of m
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > changedagain Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > Anyway, at least the main nephilim eventually > > died--so it wasn't completely fruitless. I find > > some solace in that. > > > ____________________________________________
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Thanks for providing a list of books, Larry. I haven't read a single one. Time to get started! larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cloudwatcher – The last few books I’ve read > are: Combating Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan, > Cults Inside Out by Rick Ross, Freedom of Mind by > Steven Hassan, Twisted Scriptures by Alice >
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It's been mentioned a number of times on this forum that the so-called "worship in the spirit" placed people in a very receptive state to receive just about anything spoken from the pulpit. The ridiculous notions we had about John, Marilyn etc. were probably not possible unless we first entered this trance-like state of consciousness enabled by those worship services. I figure in t
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > CHANGEDAGAIN: > > It is not GOD who has any issues, but those who > project THEIR issues onto GOD. > > Remember, GOD is a party-animal. (Prodigal > Parable) Yes, when I refer to the "father" in my posts, it's actually the mental image that has been projected from the pulpit to
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Cloudwatcher Wrote: > This is a growing phenomenon. and people need to > protect their children and teach them self > efficacy early on. and all that independent spirit > bullshit. Hey, if God wanted people joined at the > hip they would have been created that way--he > loves individual expression. He created it. Yes
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The one that is perpetually angry is Gary, who is still managing to dupe people into believing he channels God. The rank and file in the fellowship, subjected to his relentless, guilt-laden messages, have suffered far too long. It is my hope that their minds/hearts will be freed from his sadistic ministry...and they will know what it is to breathe again. Maybe even have some fun, without worryi
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pbxguy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I tend to be a bit cynical about any hope of Gary > having an experience similar to your sibling. He > is too entrenched in his delusion of grandeur. It > takes a certain level of self obsession to believe > that you alone are responsible for ushering in the > Kingdom of Heaven on the Earth. Most n
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Lily: <There never was/is true love in TLW> Certainly not from the top of the authority chain. <in holding my friends new grandbaby, I noticed he had 12 toes and 12 fingers (as did the nephilim). I was told it ran in the baby's family and will require surgery. As ridiculous as it sounds, my mind went to a dark place.....a family of nephilim?> Interesting. At this po
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If anyone received a message about a work day at the church today, which will include free refreshments for every dedicated worker--please disregard. Old habits die hard. Sorry about that.
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Slight correction--gone more like 18 years: The decision to leave was made at the Palmer Lake conference--the year Princess Diane died ('97)...and we actually left the fellowship in May of the following year. Yes, it took some time to extricate ourselves. BTW, the conference was quite peculiar--people taking some significance to Princess Diana's death (still not sure what it was), an
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Larry: <Perhaps former members are still trying to work through things that deeply affected them decades ago and are still unresolved. I know I’ve had communication with many where the wounds are still fresh 30 years later – you would think they had left weeks ago instead of decades ago.> My wife mentioned to me the other day that we've actually been out of TLWF for close to 20 yea
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I appreciate your post, Twoteetwo. Welcome! p.s. So far, to the best of my knowledge, no one in this forum has sought to lead another into the work of the cross...and/or into an intimate relationship with the grumpy heavenly father. Nonetheless, I still participate.
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larry bobo Wrote: > Man cult leaders become mom and dad to their > followers, prolonging or completely stopping the > maturity process. I’ve said in previous posts > that I matured more in the two years after leaving > TLWF than in the previous twenty in TLWF, because > I was finally making decisions for myself as an > adult. It was scary at first – but so fruitfu
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > HEADBANGER NEWS: Love God or Else > > "Love God Through Obedience To Him" > August 31, 2016 > > > od-through-obedience-to-him/ > > "The way we show God (TLW > leadership) we love him (TLW > leadership) is by being obedient to Him > (TLW leadership)." >
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Good discussion going on here...processing what you guys are writing. Meanwhile, just keep in mind...there are always places on the planet where not paying attention to the leader has even more dire consequences than what you might face in TLWF. An example: TheHill.com: North Korea had a top government official executed last month for having “bad sitting posture” that made it appear he f
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No one in the entire APCO of TLW wants to admit > bring a 'word' last weekend. > > Curious . . . ??
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Well, I just finished reading the New Testament again...and my main takeaway remains this: Obedience is not optional. Have a blessed day.
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kBOY Wrote: > "The rules of the house are his (TLW > leadership) and they are found in His > (TLW leadership) Word ." The notion that obedience to TLWF leadership, headed by Gary, is synonymous with obedience to God is beyond presumptuous. Resist--get your life back, people!
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Gary is God's representative--so the simplest and safest approach is simply to do what he, or his representatives (shepherds), tell you to do--without question. This dynamic leads to the family spirit, and the inexpressible freedom the scriptures promise to the faithful. Good luck. p.s. obedience is NOT optional. Don't go there!
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It is an encouraging sign that Gary is finally beginning to seek forgiveness from the people he has wronged. First step to maturity.
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kBOY Wrote: > "We repent for being satisfied with the > fulfillment of promises (we had > fulfillment?) without the presence of the > Father." (And we know why that > is.)
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O.K.--the father is invited to the party. But if he gets into a cantankerous mood, and attempts to squelch the festive spirit, he should be ushered out by security. He can not continue to be Daddy Downer without consequences!
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"The Power Of Our Words" August 21, 2016 "Our words can . . . sting, cause pain, or tear things down." (Ya think?) ". . . we must learn to separate our vile speech from God's precious word within us." (Like quit being hypocritical?) Interesting--but here's a different take: Matthew 18:3: “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become lik
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > HEADLINE NEWS: It's Now or Never > > "From Faith And Hope Into Love" > August 21, 2016 > > > -faith-and-hope-into-love/ > > "Eye has not seen nor ear heard what God has > prepared for those who love Him, and now > (NOW!?) is the time for us to fulfill the &g
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"Father, I Do Not Want Fulfillment Without You" August 14, 2016 "We can receive salvation and even the Kingdom, but that is no guarantee that the Father's presence will dwell with us The father has some serious psychological issues that we can not help him with. His misery really has nothing to do with us. If he refuses to acknowledge his need to be accountable fo
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> "We are in a time of repentance to move into a new > level with the Lord, seeking His perfect will and > His presence." If (God forbid) I suffer dementia, I hope this is not the line I repeat over and over to whomever has the misfortune of looking after me. For their sake, Oh God, please let it not be so!
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