Cult like church groups seem to have this incestuous mentality. It would not be surprising if Calvin Bontrager or someone else "on the inside" becomes the new cult leader....
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JC is MD and Mislead, Thank you for sharing your stories. I hope and pray that each of you find the Truth within a Body of Believers who earnestly desire Christ. Leaving a church (a healthy church or a destructive church) is never easy. In fact it is almost like having a family member pass away. We will pray for each of you as you continue your journey. TPC
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Regarding Marysville New Life Church: If the discussion needs to continue I would suggest starting a new thread devoted to New Life Church.
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QuotejesuschristismydelightD od D: Were funds taken out of the Stewardship Campaign for Cindy and the worship team to cut their CD? Were funds taken out of these same monies to pay Mike's severance pay? I don't know if this is rumor or not that funds submitted to him was $100K. Did not see these line items on your detailed accounting sheet? God Bless. JC is MD, These a
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This is the most recent tweet from Mike Villamor's Spiritual Son: "Great churches are not built on the gifts and talents of a few, but on the sacrifices of many!" Those of you who gave to the building fund: "Thank you for your sacrifice. Love Ya, Mike. PS The weather is great down here in Texas" Hey Jeff, The Great Church is built on Jesus Christ. Get you
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The notion that Turning Point Church World Outreach is "at the beginning starting at the foundation at rebuilding TP from the ground up" is an interesting notion indeed. Jeff was fully aware and fully engaged in the fabrications and falsifications that took place. He wholeheartedly embraced and vigorously propagated the false teachings that took place in Turning Point Church and at Pa
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QuotejesuschristismydelightI have gone to TP for quite some time. I too saw the abuse of authority, the faith movement (health and wealth) false doctrine enter in and various programs keeping people so busy that they were losing their love for God. They were in the wrong field and the harvest yielded smaller fruit. They were trying to do things in their own strength rather than God's stren
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QuoteTurningPointRejectCan anyone name the one newly proposed elder who confronted Mike and Jeff about their false teaching? What is the name of the newly proposed elder who, in love, spoke to Mike and Jeff and pleaded with each of them to turn away from teaching false doctrine and confess to the congregation that Turning Point Church World Outreach Center was a cult? Can anyone nam
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Can anyone name the one newly proposed elder who confronted Mike and Jeff about their false teaching? What is the name of the newly proposed elder who, in love, spoke to Mike and Jeff and pleaded with each of them to turn away from teaching false doctrine and confess to the congregation that Turning Point Church World Outreach Center was a cult? Can anyone name the one proposed elde
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[198.238.192.100] Is this considered "blessing" and "favor"?
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The below is a list pertinent to the selection of Elders. This comes straight from scripture. An Elder's personal life does matter and has everything to do with the decisions made by leadership. Not everyone should be considered for the role of Elder. Why? Because Elders are responsible for leading the church. Poor selection of Elders can reap devastation upon a church body. If yo
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I am amazed that the very same sycophants who are responsible for the collapse of Turning Point Church World Outreach Center and oversaw the misappropriation of designated funds are still Elders and Deacons. If the same sort of shenanigans had occurred in government or in a publicly owned business those "board" members would have been prosecuted and, at the very least, removed from
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The following was sent in response to my earlier post. I post it here as clarification. Though I have no way to verify the veracity of the person who sent this to me I do believe they are genuine and sincere. QuoteI wish to correct an error that you made in your last blog. The church in Katy Texas pastored by Tom B called Liveoaks Christian Fellowship is in no way connected to Tony, nor do
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Well Jeff, Mike runs off to Richmond Texas and rents a nice little home in the Mission Sierra subdivision- 25 minutes from Tony's little enclave in Katy TX - (now known as Live Oaks Christian Fellowship) after the Elders in your church give him designated funds from the building fund as severance package. Im curious. . . Was this a SECOND severance package? How much money did the
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Jackie, Thank you for sharing. No one can truly know all that you and your family have gone through during your years at Turning Point Church World Outreach Center. Praise God that His Truth was revealed to you and that you came to that place of being willing to stand up and say "enough is enough." No doubt taking that stand has cost you dearly and yet God has and continues to be
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It is ironic that the current sermon series is called Transformed when Jeff, Mike and the Turning Point Church World Outreach Center seems to be anything but transformed. Unfortunately the chances are good that Mike and Jeff will not be held accountable for their misdeeds and will get off scott free in their efforts to misappropriate funds for personal use. But then again, the Leadership con
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Hey! go easy on Ostricizedone... you may cause Ost to spill that glass of koolaid that theyve started drinking again....
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Well, Jeff, you had a chance to make things right... but you failed the test of leadership... ...again. Why are you so afraid to honor people's requests for refunds? Why? Can you and your cult really afford to defend yourselves in a court of law? Its still all about you and your little kingdom... The tighter you hold on the more you lose. Its really quite a shame. Turning Poin
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J and K Allow me to speak directly to the issue. TPC is a cult. TPC has been a cult for some time. You have participated willingly in this cult. You have, at times, acted as the cult strong arm and apologist. To say that you want to protect the new members from the truth is , in itself, continuing in the mindset of the cult. Your new members deserve to hear the truth from you if you
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Make sure you join the page...and continue your worship and adoration James Nelson To all of Pastor Mike's TRUE friends...I would like to start a "Friends of Pastor Mike" appreciation page...He was always there for me and countless others, and he has been wrongfully accused by some very jaded people and it turns my stomach. In actuality, I doubt whether his accusers are even
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Jeff will not be honest. He will only dance around the edges of the truth. He will not tell the "new" people in the cult the truth. Why? He fears losing HIS kingdom. He fears losing HIS church. He fears losing their worship and adoration. He fears all that he has invested himself in will come crashing down around him. Were he joining Christ in building Jesus' C
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QuoteDaughter of DorcasMany of us gave money to TPC for the stewardship campaign. The money was given to purchas the trophy shop and the little house next door to it. That way expansion or new construction of a larger church could be accomplished. This was always the goal as it was posed to my husband and I. However that is not how the stewardship money was used. A bus was purchased, I was th
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Turning Point Church World Outreach Center Facebook page: Jesus said, "God is Spirit, & His worshippers must worship in spirit and in truth." Will Jeff and the Elders tell the congregation the truth? Will they admit they have been a cult rather than a church? Or will they continue to hide around the edges...
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Why did Jeff and the Elders choose to enable Mike by giving him money so he could leave town?
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Will the leaders of TPC come to a place where they can admit and confess that they were living life as a cult? Will they be able to bring themselves to speak that word? Or will they dance around the edges...in order to escape the grasp of grace and salvation? Only time will tell. TPC is the only church that Jeff has ever really known. He has a lot of equity invested in the lie that is TPC. I
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STEPS: Let’s change the focus a bit and talk about how to recover from spiritual abuse. First, what about recovery for perpetrators of spiritual abuse? People in general don’t tend to be very hopeful about perpetrators of any kind of abuse. And for some good reasons. What’s your take on that? Jeff: I think that pessimism is justified. First of all, in order for someone to recover from somethin
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STEPS: I think one of the most painful pieces of this puzzle is when you find people in abusive situations and they are unable to leave, unable to make healthy choices. Just as spouses in violent relationships sometimes return again and again to be abused, people who are in spiritually abusive relationships often find it very difficult to leave. Jeff: The phenomena of not being able to leave h
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I think its worth comparing TPCs "reconciliation" letter with letters from other leaders who engaged in spiritual abuse. First is a copy of Jeff's Letter. It is then followed by another letter from another church leader at a different church. Your thoughts and insights are welcomed. Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ, I am writing this letter on behalf of myself and the e
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QuoteSaddenedYou are right on about the bad theology UndeniablyLivid. A point that has not gone unnoticed by other clergy in Marysville. I was surprised when I heard someone support our views about the bad theology only that person called TPC doctrine heresy. I felt vindicated. Saddened Unfortunately it appears that the questionable teachings and associations continue. Time will tell...
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this pattern seems familiar...real close to the one followed by Tony Cunningham. He said people misunderstood and misapplied his teachings...sent out a letter of reconciliation...but continues to teach the same old things. Jeff says they are closely examining their doctrine but fails to name which teachings were errant. He sends out his letter, calls for reconciliation... Lets hope the si
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