As a New Year summary, I have compiled some old verses to summarize the situation so far. I just saw a movie called "The Life of Pi" - so I have entitled this: THE LIFE OF SAI There was a man from Oahu Who owned a zodiac or two YAHOO! He ruled the ocean waves With his gang of devoted slaves Yarr, 'tis unbelievable but true! He was losing touch with reality Blam
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VoxVeritasVita Das said: And as you watch this film and close your eyes, why, it SOUNDS like Butler talking with the sing-song pidgeon English. Good observation, Vox! The tone of the voice is very similar. The intonation during the lecture is just like Chris Butler's intonation. Especially when Speedo is making fun of the heavy breathing that people do whilst copulating ~ definitely
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Finally got to see the whole movie *Holy Hell* ... Holy Shit! The similarity to the Butler group is uncanny ... apart from the sodomizing of course. Seems like one cult leader was obsessed with homosexuality in the flesh ... the other obsessed with homosexuality in his mind? The common denominator of course is a group whose focus initially was on enlightenment but gradually changed over
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Thanks for this information, Vox. There are certainly quite a few similarities between the so-called swim-suit cult and the Butler cult ... * Both cult leaders are charismatic males who bring people together for frenzied dancing and singing * Both cult leaders live like millionaires, being served on hand-and-foot by doting followers * Both cult leaders live in Kailua homes which are le
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Yup, with all the cussing and swearing, he is sometimes known as "The potty-mouth guru"
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That's an hilarious voice-mail you got there, Rama! But it's true! Chris does speak like this, using coarse verbiage almost like it's a shock and awe campaign against his followers? I wonder if Chris will now be giving the never-ending lectures on nocturnal penile translucence? Ha! Who remembers the *WHAT ARE YOU WORTH?* lecture that was televised in the 80s? The rhetor
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Looks like Kurt Butler has serious victim mentality just like his brother Kris ... Remember, anyone, when Kris Butler accused his disciples of trying to kill him by turning on the air-conditioner too high? Victim mentality running in the family?
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I listened to the Canada Girl interview, but maybe I did not listen attentively enough, because I do not recall any blasphemous statements that were spoken by Canada Girl. Somebody please correct me if I am mistaken? Canada Girl simply recounted her perceived experiences of being a laundry servant/slave for the guru in question, namely Chris Butler. Why does Chris Butler want to keep this
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Well said, Dharma ... Well Well Well ~ this would make an interesting court scene, would it not? Place Mr. Siddha Bellord on the dock and under oath to answer the following questions: * Have you ever been aboard the vessel in question? <<<Bring on Exhibit A ~ Photograph of Mr. Siddha Bellord as a passenger in the vessel in question.>>> * Approximately how many
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FOILED AGAIN Devotional Service requires Much work and toil Decorating the guru's homes With clean shiny tin foil Others think Devotional Service Needs ghee, sandalwood oil But really all you need Is clean shiny tin foil As for materialists and karmis They make my blood boil That's why I stocked up on Lots and lots of tin foil
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There was a man from Oahu Who owned a zodiac or two Yahoo! He worships the Lord While on his surf board Beware! His zodiac may kill YOU
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HELPFUL HINTS FOR SCIENCE OF IDENTITY CASUALTIES * Slow down, chill out, and always respect other living beings, especially human beings * Avoid the Blues Brothers style "We-are-on-a-mission-from-God" consciousness * Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters * Stay clear of the political arena - it is a den of vipers - lest you become a viper yourself ... (and as
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Thanks for the update, VeraCity. Are the authorities attempting to sweep this incident under the carpet? This horrific and imbecilic fatal incident is a classic example of how people with too much money and too much power can turn into total A$$HOLES The generally accepted meaning of the derogatory word *Asshole* is someone who is repeatedly rude and obnoxious towards other human be
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MANIFESTATION AT PLAY? Many thanks to Rama for his extremely well-written essay about his history as a young boy growing up within the Butler cult family. I know that Wai-Lana had been pretty much deified back around the mid-1980 era, but I really did not understand to what degree her spoiled bratty royal children had also been canonized or deified by Chris Butler himself? Sounds
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Excellent videos, Henri! Good research into Tulsi's involvement with dirty politics. Tulsi is no doubt influenced by Butler's famous hit single (NOT!) called *Dear Fanatic* ... She has stated that religious fanaticism is the reason for all the so-called terrorism ... However, the guys at Veterans Today website have stated that it has nothing to do with religion and it is simply a
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* THE BOOK OF RULES ~ It's too bad that no-one on this forum has access to this long document that was written by Chris Butler around 1988. While other "spiritual masters" within the same Krishna cult were writing books on how to take care of and worship wooden deities, Mr. Butler wrote a several-hundred page book on how to take care of and worship .... HIMSELF! At that time
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Vera City Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rama, I don't think that photo is old Sid, but > this one is at the same location: > > http:// > i78.photobucket.com/albums/j104/Yodaplanet/8947098 > _orig_zps1fohrxyg.jpg Ha! The body language in this old photo seems to be like this: Siddha: Whoa I want to be just like this man with
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Another story worth repeating is this: a lecture given by Chris Butler at the infamous warehouse back in the mid 1980's. At this particular lecture Chris decided to read a letter he had just received from one of the pupils at the newly-formed gurukula school on the island of Oahu. (I'm not 100 percent sure if this letter was from the oldest son of Tapasananda and Rasa.) In this lette
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A very powerful and well-written letter from Eigener Herr ... Hopefully Mr. Butler will read this and maybe start to understand his delusional state involving paranoia, narcissism and megalomania. Some thoughts on seeing the Jagad Guru speaks videos from 30 years ago ... Yes some of us did get sucked in by his charisma at that time, but now on reviewing these videos 30 years later that chari
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Jaya Amurica? Are you serious? Whatever happened to the original teachings that "you are not the material body, you are NOT American" etc? As Butler got more and more involved with politics it seems that he wanted to identify more and more with the right-wing Christian groups and red-neck political systems ... mostly on the grounds of combating the evils of homosexuality. I wonder h
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I can verify for a fact that Chris Butler did indeed tell his followers to fast for six months. I once received a phone call from secretary Prema dasi asking me if I was willing to fast for six months. I believe the reason at this time was because the servants were 5 minutes late with Butler's breakfast. It was at this moment that I pretty much came to the conclusion that follow
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Re: Fair Use Documents Great find, Vera! Documents like this were ongoing through the 1980's decade. Chris Butler is unable to plug in his own lamp? Is he retarded or does he just want to find the smallest matter to lambaste his sheepish followers, which seems to be his favorite pastime? LAMBASTE: to criticize (someone or something) very harshly (Webster's Dictionary)
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Interesting outlook on Narcissism and Paranoia "Narcissist are often paranoid and even schizoid. The narcissist feels superior, unique and entitled; His time is invaluable and demands total obedience to his needs."
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VoxVeritasVita Das Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Great limerick, "Just G” > > I completely forgot about that; what Butler’s > pastimes were/are. > Yup- probably just holed up in his beach-side > mansion watching TV and eating > potato Chips! > You mean THOSE chip,the Wai Lana Chips? with HIS > OWN toenails in it? >
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Great poetry, Rama ... You guys got me on a roll now! This little limerick going thru my head: There was an Oriental woman named Wai Who encountered a fellow named Sai They engaged in matrimony Yet Wai was way way phoney A fact that no-one could deny She appeared on TV to the nation With an extremely phoney vibration Teaching yoga postures, you see Camera crew worked for free Wai a
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Oi oi oi ... I just saw the Way Looney video and I agree 100 percent with Rama's assessment of the music video as viewed on Flash's brilliant website. She comes across as a total fraud! More interested in megasizing her bank account by exploiting laborers than anything else, it appears? Her movements are so artificial ... her voice so superficial ... "Namaste" I respect you,
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Okaaaaaay! Back by popular demand ... a light-hearted humorous break ... More rhymes going through my head again on this toenail fiasco! When spiritual progress constantly fails Just reach for your guru's tasty toenails Mix them with salad, or sometimes with soup The sacred nail clippings of Siddhaswarup Mix them with dough when making your bread These toenails will transport yo
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VeraCity said: *Where's Just-Googling* when you need him? Ha! Just watching from the sidelines. I did get a laugh from watching the Conehead movie, which I saw for the first time the other day. The Coneheads claiming to be from France is indeed similar to these cult members claims that they are *Hindu* ... I also watched Henri's videos ... The Aleister Crowley quote on t
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From ISKCON to ASSKON? Ass consciousness indeed! Many thanks to jaggedguru and AC4711 for your recent revealing posts about Butler's obsession with homosexual activities. I feel very fortunate that I drifted away from the cult before this infatuation took over. I feel sorry for the young students at the schools who had to endure this ridiculous indoctrination. Maybe he should change th
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Sorry I cannot supply extraordinary evidence to these claims right now. I do not work at the Pentagon or any governmental establishment ... only trying to put the jigsaw pieces together with supposed intelligence info leaking out via the internet, and another source claiming the same: There are huge changes taking place in the Pentagon right now at this time--with the Positive Military in cha
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