Hey, Dharmabum and Hoax108, thanks for posting this interesting dialogue. What you say makes total sense. The shady politics for sure is a sign that this guy is bad news... ... Wow, I just got a new laptop as the old Windows98 was getting a bit too slow... Now I can scroll through the 300 pages on this forum with ease! Many thanks to all the people who have posted here in the past, Dharmabu
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THOUGHTS GOING THROUGH A CULT MEMBER'S HEAD "Srila Pra'pod is a spoiled brat! (Will God punish me for thinking that?) He spends all day complaining about his food... Seems like he's always in a rotten mood. I hope that Krishna is a lot more mellow... and not such a cruel and unreasonable fellow. by Just Giggling. TUCO speaks: If the pen is mightier than the swo
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BRAT ~ A spoiled child (also called a spoiled brat) is a child that exhibits behavioral problems from overindulgence by his or her parents. Spoiled children may be described as "overindulged", "grandiose", "narcissistic" or "egocentric-regressed". There is no accepted scientific definition of what "spoiled" means, and professionals are often u
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Thanks, Vera, for the interesting link to Allan Yoza's real estate business on the island of Hawaii ... I wonder where the profits from Yoza's real estate business go? Into Chris Butler's pockets, no doubt? Also, the profits from the health food stores? Probably goes to pay for his mansion on the beach and the million-dollar air purification machines. (One wonders why air puri
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Quoteterrenaut300 pages! thanks rick ross :) and over 70 thousand views! That's quite a few people interested in what we have to say! GUDANDSLOSHEDakaBAL: I've got a feeling that Wayne Nishiki is not involved with the cult any longer.
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Tuco says: For a mix of religion and politics and mindless propaganda... Vote for Jagged Guru ~ Siddhaswarupananda!
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I wonder what became of Sudama Vipra ex-swami? It would be interesting to hear his version of what happened in the cult all those years ago... Did he really abscond and take the child away from the mother ... and what was the reason for this? Rumor has it that he accused the mother of being "like a robot" ... (As mentioned earlier in this forum, this cult has many cases of broken ma
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Quote from "indigoarthur": QuoteI ask again: is there evidence of abusive activity beyond verbal? I ask in hopes of getting pointers that will not require me to read 290 pages parsing for something "substantial." Your question is suggestive that verbal abuse is not substantial. This is incorrect. For a guru whom blind followers accept 'as good as g0d' to ve
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QuoteVera Cityjust googling was merely saying that regardless of theology, the Butler quotes do not represent a person connected to any spiritual values, but illustrate a "power tripper". I think he made a valid point. Yes, I reckon the "power tripping" is definitely a huge red flag. There is really no need for it. A person who is thinking logically would surely see how
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QuoteVoxVeritasVita Das quote: " how other people can allow themselves to get sucked into that reality?" I have often asked myself the same question. How is it that seemingly normal people with normal or perhaps above normal intelligence can actually believe the whole "Butler as Guru" package, and believe it for so many years, has always escaped me. I believe it is beca
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QuoteVoxVeritasVita Das Googling makes a good point. I remember before Veejay passed away Siddha criticised him for watching the news stating that if one is not planning to do anything about what they see there is no reason for them to know about world events. Then at the same thing he states that even a babies coughing is irrelevant? How is a war suddenly to take precedence over God yet a babies
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QuoteVera City Keeping this forum alive, as it is the only critical review of Butler's group on line at this writing, is very important. The disparity between the Butler philosophy and the reality needs to be exposed in every available media. Hopefully, in time, more documents will appear and more "exers" will be willing to blow the whistle. Some people say that we all create
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QuoteVera City Zelig told me he had personally heard Chris Butler lecture to Rick Reed that he should either go into politics or become a guru. He advised and directed his career (with his wife Carter) the whole time he was working for the AG. Gabbard is no different. Political activism and deception is a big part of this cult. And we believed that Chris was going to use the political system
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Thanks for the link, Oerlikon. I find this to be a very well-written chapter and especially these two following paragraphs are very pertinent as to how these people think: Scriptures twisted to the leaders' advantage. The hierarchy promoted a distorted view of the scriptures that allowed them to shift the blame for all problems onto their followers. For example, they said that according
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Guru-Doubter ~ thanks for your recollections from all those years ago. I do remember hearing a very brief rumor about some such thing as bombings, but at that time I did not give it much thought. One certainly has to ask the question whether Curly Dave was acting on his own behalf or with guru's permission or advice or whatever... but the fact that he was in the "inner circle" c
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QuoteVera CityJ.C.~ sigh... this is just nutters! Try reading my posts more carefully, or rather, refrain from reading into my posts things that are not there and stop making false implications about what I write! Find your straw man somewhere else. She ain't here. I think I would have to agree with Vera City on this argument... The movie "Religulus" looks
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Jay, regarding the last picture you posted, which goes something like this: Boy sees girl. Boy talks to girl. Boy makes love to girl. Boy feels guilty. Boy quarrels with somebody. Boy gets strangled by snake!!! Could pictures like this have a subliminal effect on cult members and affect their lives? Does this create a religious-type frame of mind that is not very compatible with a marria
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QuoteVera CityJ.C.~ Obviously, you are here to quarrel. I am not. You still miss the point. Touche. (This is a French fencing term, pronounced "touchay" meaning "Touched" i.e. stabbed by the sword, injured. But note also that the English word "touched" has a completely different meaning, meaning touched in a pleasant way!) Thanks, Jay, for reminders of the c
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Jay, regarding the last photo from Bhagavad-Gita, yes, I remember being influenced by this picture when I was a cult member... spending those many lost hours in studying that long book... Okay, I could see the logic of the very fat man who eats like a pig, but the man who is hugging the woman turning into a dog??? No wonder the divorce rate is more than 90 percent in that cult, eh? (I also r
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thanks, Jay, for posting the links to Srimad-Bhagavatam Chapter 5, wherein I found this piece: There is the person who, but having taken the money, the wife or another man's children away, is sure, by the most terrible men of death, to be bound with the ropes of time and by force to be thrown into the hell of Tâmisra ['the darkness'] where he has to starve, crave for water, is
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Antarctic may have some valid concerns about the motivations and character of "Cara Cult Reporter" -- as evidenced by her constant attacks on ANYONE who posted on this forum ... kind of like a two-headed snake that would lash out at anyone within range... HOWEVER, Antarctic fails to address the main issues that have been raised about Butler's character on this forum by some sens
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QuoteOne-O-eightNow, surrendering to and doing the will of a spiritual master is an essential ingredient of spiritual practice... Yes, this statement should have maybe read like this: ... an essential ingredient of most EASTERN religious practices ...? QuoteOne-O-eightIt seems to many of us here that CB is sending a clear message - to renounce all attachments, relationships, etc. and become
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You have raised an interesting point here, one-O-eight, about how the character of that Polish Pope is at the other end of the spectrum from Chris Butler's character in this regard. A world figure speaking about peace and forgiveness - now there's something you don't see every day! Yeh, even forgiving the man who shot him. Meanwhile, Chris will never forgive those darned followe
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QuoteChris ButlerTheir primary focus is themselves, their wives, their children. And because their focus is primarily on the family, their worldly families, this doesn't leave their consciousness much room to focus on Krishna. Enough said, eh? This is the part of the Science of Identity that does not appear in the books! No wonder the neglect of the children was so high. Based on the
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QuoteHoax108Hey Veracity - with all the documents you've posted that clearly show how the whole activity of the cult revolves around serving every whim and idiosyncrasy of the guru, I can't help but think of that famous rock band who when touring requested Smarties in their dressing room, but the red (or blue) ones had to be removed. I think that rock band made that absurd request j
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QuoteVera CityJust Googling, didn’t you hear him say people should go on a 6 month fast? What was the reason? I should also mention the case of the woman who was told to fast from food, water AND ALSO TO FAST FROM SLEEP as well. Why the harsh punishment? The milk in HIS refrigerator was past the expiry date! Seems like guru has enough time to surf "transcendental waves" all day
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QuoteVCJust Googling, didn’t you hear him say people should go on a 6 month fast? What was the reason? Yes. We were told to go on a six month fast. The reason was that the servants were late in delivering the master's breakfast. (I cannot remember exactly, but I think it was 5 minutes late or maybe 15 minutes late???) However, the next day people were told that they did not have to go o
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QuoteFather Max"So-called modern society" has also allowed you the freedom for your pseudo-religious posturing and strutting 'homophobic notions regarding society', 'clergy not teaching real religion or truth', whilst you remain silent on real moral and ethical issues concerning human life, e.g., the effects of the current ravages of war and famine. Since May 2003, o
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Thanks, Z, for your knowledge on this important issue ... This certainly proves that it was more like a cult than a genuine religion, huh? _____________________ On another line of thought... Does anyone out there know what became of Chris Butler's book entitlted 'DRUGS, SUICIDE, AND DIVORCE' ? I know that it was a very thick book and a lot of research and man-hours went int
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Yeh, I thought that the guy in the photo with the turtleneck was not CB ~ there is quite a resemblance, though... Thanks, Z, for the history of the GBC from PJ ... Many of us were uncertain as to whether the assassination threat was real or not. I, for one, thought that it could have been just an empty threat made in the heat of the argument ... Nonetheless, it's still difficult to
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