A new video on youtube featuring Chris Butler telling his followers that he envisions a nuclear fire that burns everything away, and that the only thing left is "Krishna, Gurudeva, Krishna's names."

The Chris Butler cult is a DEATH CULT. My mother Robyn "Radhakunda Dasi" Ranson used to tell us to take our one chance to serve Chris Butler with this life, telling us to sacrifice our entire life in Chris Butler's service for the prize of liberation from this hellish world.

My mother has been waiting to die since her teenage years, always making comments like "I can't wait to get out of here" meaning her physical body and this material world. This is the sentiment that she engulfed her young boys with our entire lives. My little brother never had a chance.

How absolutely brainwashed has my mother been since before I was born for the past 40 years.
How absolutely brainwashed was I supposed to be had the programming got a hold of me? It was never ever going to work on me, though.

Mind controllers, pick up your game! You are slippin', and the ones that slip through the cracks are the ones who will bring you down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIJEDhSZRds

Apocalyptic Death Cult Despises Self Improvement by Chris Butler Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa

A very powerful and well-written letter from Eigener Herr ... Hopefully Mr. Butler will read this and maybe start to understand his delusional state involving paranoia, narcissism and megalomania.

Some thoughts on seeing the Jagad Guru speaks videos from 30 years ago ... Yes some of us did get sucked in by his charisma at that time, but now on reviewing these videos 30 years later that charisma seems to ooze out in a rather sickening manner.

Brings to mind the old Frank Zappa number entitled: I AM THE SLIME FROM THE VIDEO ...

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I agree, very moving piece by Eigener Herr. There are no more excuses for Haribols to justify their faith. All the guru's claims are debunked. After more than ten years of this site's existence, not one stood up for their guru; those who tried were sent with their tails tucked in between legs. If ever, people still stick in there has got nothing to do with God or faith, let alone love. They are there for their selfish reasons. Some benefit from the labors of others and the rank and file simply enjoy the brand or sense of social belonging. If you go to their Facebook sites, all postings are superficial and pretentious, parroting the same debunked dogmas and verses, they have become meaningless and even silly. My heartfelt respect for the bravery of the later generations like Rama and Lalita. I'm hoping this will spurt a revolution among the children to help free the naive, families and other children from clutches of superstition and religious domination of manipulative gurus like Chris Butler.

More praise for Eigener Herr and her open letter to her parent’s guru, Chris Butler.

I agree that this latest article by cult kid Eigener Herr is very well-written. More importantly, any follower of Butler can relate to her powerful arguments (if they would simply read her words with an open mind). I have pasted some excerpts below along with some factual background on her arguments.

Flash




Most powerful to me is her unmasking Chris Butler for his very real betrayal of all his followers by associating with criminals and allegedly leading devotees into criminal activities.
But I see through your mask. I know the truth. You’re a fraud, a charlatan, a rogue, a scoundrel. You know it too. That’s why when the authorities came knocking on your door in 1995, you immediately rolled over and showed them your soft belly, crying that the world was poisoning you and you were too sick to be a threat. You’re ultimately a coward, doing your worst in the shadows away from prying eyes, and employing others to cover your tracks.

Ti Leaf Productions 1996

“…The man at the centre of Twizel’s movie controversy says his health has deteriorated after a wave of media attention on the activities of his film company, Ti Leaf Productions, which (was) suggested might be a front for an international drug ring or a religious cult. American spiritual leader and film company scriptwriter Chris Butler said yesterday that even if his visa was extended past next month’s expiry date, the atmosphere in Twizel was so poisoned he might leave anyway.

But yesterday, lying under a blanket on the couch of the tinfoil-lined farm house he is leasing, Mr Butler denied the allegations. Pale and shaking, he also said he was under enormous stress as a result of the accusations.

Mr Butler suffers from allergic reactions to chemicals and said that was part of the reason for the tinfoil house lining. As well as preventing chemicals being emitted from the house’s exposed wooden walls, the tinfoil was to protect the sensitive video and computer equipment in the house…”

You told us drugs and modern medicine were bad?—?yet your closest confidants were part of a multi-billion dollar drug ring, your “not-for-profit” raked in $50million in assets over the years, which I somehow doubt came from the donations from people like my parents who were so poor, they could barely feed and clothe us sometimes. Even worse, you started your first cult after spending a few days wandering about a forest in a drug induced haze in the 60’s which is when you came out enlightened to your future guruship. At the ripe and wisdom filled age of 24. I doubt the drugs stopped even then, you always seemed out of it or frenetic.

Paramahansa das Patrick Bowler drug smuggler and Butler devotee



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/01/2015 08:50AM by flashlight_on_roaches.

Powerful message, Eigener Herr - I hope MANY people read this and that it gets shown to one and all, powerful testimony and the TRUTH!

Just Googling- what a BRILLIANT song- its PERFECT:

I AM THE SLIME--- 1973

"I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed and deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I'm the tool of (POLITICS) government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I am the best you can get
Have you guessed me, yet?
I'm the slime oozin' out
From your (GURUDEV) TV set

You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the (TOENAILS) garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't go for help : no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

"That's right folks
Don't touch that dial"

Well, I am the slime (ON A) from your video
Oozin' along on your livin'room floor
I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit' me go "

Tremendous posts everyone! Here are some of my responses.

Misanthropic cult leader -> creates false fears and a skewed perception of reality in followers -> builds a survivalist compound and other percs for self and elite followers -> gets the plebeian followers to support self by promising a divine after life with g0d and guru.

Rama’s DEATH CULT post:

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Rama
A new video on youtube featuring Chris Butler
telling his followers that he envisions a nuclear
fire that burns everything away, and that the only
thing left is "Krishna, Gurudeva, Krishna's
names."

The Chris Butler cult is a DEATH CULT. My mother
Robyn "Radhakunda Dasi" Ranson used to tell us to
take our one chance to serve Chris Butler with
this life, telling us to sacrifice our entire life
in Chris Butler's service for the prize of
liberation from this hellish world...

Mind controllers, pick up your game! You are
slippin', and the ones that slip through the
cracks are the ones who will bring you down.

Apocalyptic Death Cult Despises Self Improvement by Chris Butler Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa

I remember a video on Flash's blog (?) of Acharya das* (seems to be Butler’s #1 man at the moment) talking about something apocalyptic and saying not to worry because they will be taking care of people. I am wondering if the huge real estate development and compound in New Zealand is one of the cult’s prepper BOL (bug out location/retreats) when the SHTF (shit hits the fan)?

Given Chris Butler Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Prabhupad’s history of instilling fears regarding mega disasters beginning with AC Bhaktivedanta’s prediction that WW3 would start with a war between India and Pakistan. This was in the early 1970’s. When it didn’t happen, they attributed it to their magical chanting. My source remembers a small gathering with Butler in Hawaii where he was seriously telling the group that World War 3 was coming. He told them that they will be protected by chanting and serving guru. How convenient for him. The effect was profound and immediate. Followers became much more serious about working for "Siddha" after that.

Since that time, Chris Butler Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Prabhupad has manipulated his followers with alarmist warnings every decade; the Y2K end of the world, the Aids epidemic, the Bird Flu, and other world catastrophes. His recent doomsday predictions are being kept from the public as they frantically try to recruit "true believers" with their flowery "eat, pray, love" yoga traps. Yes, people are being carefully vetted.* And there are a lot of real and imaginary conspiracies upon which to monopolize right now.

Who wants to be “left behind” when your guru (whose word you believe to be infallible) says the world is coming to an end? Wouldn’t you be motivated to do all you can to get in good with God's representative to reserve your place (at a high cost) in the compound?


See also Flash's Blog for more info and history on land escapades and projects in New Zealand

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dharmabum
If ever, people still stick in there has got nothing to do with God or faith, let alone love. They are there for their selfish reasons. Some benefit from the labors of others and the rank and file simply enjoy the brand or sense of social belonging.

Here's the main thing about the cult of Butler. They have never been concerned about humanity or people suffering. The goal is to be superior to the karmis and invest in the afterlife with guru and Krishna. This is evidenced by the audio clip posted by Rama. There are other examples of Butler's misanthropy. In other lectures he has put down the elderly, a woman concerned about her sick baby, and so on.

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Chris Butler Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa
I visualize the entire landscape blown away, burned away in the fire and the only thing that is left is Krishna, gurudev."

Butler's conclusion? Everyone who does not serve him is selfish and miserable. Listen to the tone of his voice (2:08). This guy is so smug it makes me vomit.

Re VEILED DEATH THREAT:
Rama, you are absolutely correct to expose that tricky, not-so-veiled death threat. It is actually very scary. If this person is hiding out from the cult, why don't they help expose it?!

Everything can turn on a dime - at a moments notice; a crazed follower or a severe threat to the cult's agenda can change the modus operandi of a person or organization. All it would take is one order, suggestion, wink, nod from Butler and it could happen. Of course Butler would never take the fall. Making it public protects you. Good move. I’d like to see it up on your blog too.

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Rama
I received this message from Gayle Hedge

on Facebook with no further communication despite me asking many questions

"Why dont you cut ties to the cult and change your name?? I am in hiding myself and all you will get for not shutting up is a bullet to the head. Your story is told, now go live a wonder full life, b4 its too late. Bowler, Gabbard, and their body guards are focusing on buying up new zealand under Trust Names and multi names. They wont be stopped. To many top men are playing the property market game and everyone has a price"

For the record, for my protection I will make this public.

See Rama's excellent critical blog about Chris Butler Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda

You Tube Channel Review of Chris Butler Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda's Cult

Eigener Herr, your Open Letter to My Parents Guru was excellent!

I highly recommend Eigener Herr’s YouTube Channel videos exposing Chris Butler Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Prabhupad

Just Googling and Vox ~ thanks for the musical and poetic comic relief!

*Acharya Das has many You Tube videos and was recently the Keynote Speaker at the Bhakti Yoga Shack retreat on Kauai last summer. The people who run this Butler cult recruitment center were also at Tulsi Gabbard's wedding (Go Pal and Radha Kauai). That was an impossible invite unless you are a Butler elite or political crony.

I believe you Rama, be careful.

In a disagreement, a critical thinker would think you could be wrong; to an ideologue, you are evil; but to a religious fanatic, not only that you are evil, you don't deserve to live. You are offensive, you will be shamed and condemned. Absolutism is their dogma, where there is no room for compromise, everything is either black or white. In Haribol, if you're a non-believer, either you're a sex-maniac or a devil-worshipper, or both. These people are the "anti-everything", from toothpaste to vaccine, from corn to chemtrails. They have the super-paranoid mindset, believing Monsanto is poisoning the planet and corporations are ripping them off with fake lattes and spiking vege-hotdogs with real meat. They are into conspiracy theories, debunked many decades ago. Self-proclaimed absolutists are narrow-minded, petty, rigid and emotionally unstable -- the very reason they are duped into cult in the first place. The guru knows this -- if he sets up a sweet goo in the open, flies will stick to it. That's cult 101. No one with critical mind gets attracted to a specious fly-trap.

But don't worry much. If you peek into Haribol kids' facebook pages, they are not as fanatical as the parents. They are as gay as the gays they criticize openly, and are into Kardashians. I think they are still into the cult out of convenience only -- that's the only social belonging they knew and grew up into. Mostly are unlike the parents. I'm sure they question their parents' poor taste and hypocrisy, and I'm sure all watches porn. No one in his right mind, who appreciates Kanye West would at the same time appreciate Wai Lana. That Yoga Dance? No way, that's gonna get posted and shared; they are ashamed of it, rightfully so. It's just a matter of time when they will begin to guestion the dorky guru and his funny voice. But always have your skateboard with you, if run into one of these parents, speed away lad.

He, he. Can you imagine what would be needed to transport Jaggy Guru Chris Butler to New Zealand?

Charter a private jet.

Crew it with only elite, germ free devotees currently in favor, thus qualified to be crew members and the care team.

Create a chamber for His Royal Infallible Heinie - ness.

Line the interior with tinfoil or whatever else is needed. Have an expert florist on board to weave fresh garlands.

Have special food containers for His Heinieness' food and a convection oven to warm it up.

Find some way to deal with the NZ immigration authorities. How can such a fragile divine being face the mundane reality of an entry interview?

Arrange for a special van or limo with a germ free interior to be on standby to transport his Heinieness to the compound.

All joking aside, if this NZ compound is indeed destined as a bolthole for Butler and his favored minions, I advise the New Zealand authorities to go study Philip Zimbardo's Stanford Prison Experiment.

When a group is split into master and servant roles and, above all, is isolated from outside scrutiny, there is no external check on behavior. The leaders become more cruel and domineering; the minions become ever more subservient. It is a tightening spiral.

Current examples: Church of Scientology

CO$ many compounds. [www.google.com]

Just one of its compounds

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An earlier example: Church Universal and Triumphant

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Does New Zealand want to risk having something like this?

What if some people go on a hike, get lost, stumble into some wakadoo's
"compound" and get hurt by paranoid "security"?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Tulsi Gabbard , the Hare Krishna Extremist was on Bill "I should know way better" Maher bagging on Muslim Extremists

http://youtu.be/I4d4J1que0s

http://youtu.be/unsdKAvTq9o

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