Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Vera City ()
Date: January 29, 2016 04:41PM

Great link Rama. You, Flash, Vox, and others really busted this wide open for the media in Hawaii. Thanks.

WHO KILLED SHRI SHIM? Carol Cox Show Asks

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From the Carol Cox link:


January 24, 2016, Honolulu, Hawaii.

Carroll talks about the death of Mr. Sri Meheula Shim, an avid and experienced surfer and diver. On January 9, 2016, he was hit by a boat in Kailua Bay and left to die.

People have been complaining about a specific boat, registered to Sai Hansen, speeding in the bay. On January 9, 2016, Mr. Shim and his stepson were run over by that boat. The son was taken to the hospital with deep cuts. It was later reported to the officials at the scene that the boat may have hit another man. But, by then, it was too late for Mr. Shim.

Most accidents have long investigations at the scene, and the people involved are named. In this case, everyone is wondering how thorough and accurate the immediate investigation was, and why nothing is being reported regarding those involved, as is usually done for accidents and deaths. Mr. Hansen has ties to Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard's religious group and its guru. Some of the members live nearby and are active users of Kailua Bay. Both the boaters and the divers were very Hawaii experienced in the ocean and it was reported the day was calm with high visibility. So, how could this happen?


It is interesting the vessel in question was not impounded, and the Department of Land and Natural Resources (DLNR) is now doing an investigation after the fact. DLNR impounds boats for other infractions, why not this time? Carroll asked the state for a copy of the required accident report, or if a copy could not be provided, who filed the report, and when. He did not receive an answer. People are asking whether a test for drugs or alcohol was done. DLNR does not have the ability to conduct an accurate test, if they even tested at all. The DLNR has not interviewed, or even talked with the family, and are treating it as just another accident. So many questions, and no answers. Something's not right.

Apparently, once again, the Department of Land and Natural Resources is involved in a big problem they cannot handle. Callers participate in the conversation and they, along with many other people Carroll has talked to, express their frustration and concerns about what is going on.

They forgot to mention Mike Gabbard's connection to the DLNR . . .

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Let us look at the map of Hawaii's Second District
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 29, 2016 10:55PM

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Tulsi Gabbard swore to uphold the laws and Constitution of the United States of America.

So have the officers of the law who look after Kailua Bay and its residents.

The residents of the Second District have paid and are paying their taxes.

They deserve better in return for their votes, their taxes and their trust in the American electoral process.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: just-googling ()
Date: January 30, 2016 04:45AM

Thanks for the update, VeraCity.
Are the authorities attempting to sweep this incident under the carpet?

This horrific and imbecilic fatal incident is a classic example of
how people with too much money and too much power can turn into total

A$$HOLES

The generally accepted meaning of the derogatory word *Asshole* is someone who is repeatedly rude and obnoxious towards other human beings ... Someone who arrogantly disrespects others.

Thanks for the laughs, Vox, for the probable dialogue taking place at the Cult Headquarters these days!
Using this script somebody could make a bizarre sitcom out of all this!
(Maybe hide some cameras in the Butler mansions and make a twisted
reality show like the Ozzy Osbourne phenomenon?) ....
*The Butler Family*?? ... *Butlers' Butlers*??

Watch Chris get furious with his bumbling disciples,
who are constantly late with the family`s meals,
and who constantly find a way to botch up the thermostat in the guru`s home? etc etc!

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SCIENCE OF IDENTITY TWILIGHT ZONE TRIVIA QUIZ

QUESTION? What was Chris Butler's favorite pop song in High School?
ANSWER: "I'LL PUT A SPELL ON YOU"

QUESTION: What was Chris Butler's favorite game in kindergarten?
ANSWER: *I'M THE KING OF THE CASTLE, AND YOU'RE THE DIRTY RASCALS*

WHAT IS THE FAVORITE SONG OF THE LOST PRINCE SIDDHA-B?
ANSWER: Ringo's *ACT NATURALLY*
"They're gonna put me in the movies,
"They're gonna make a big star out of me,
"And all I gotta do is ACT NATURALLY"

Meanwhile, on the astrological front,
Butler's natal Sun-Uranus conjunction opposing Jupiter on
the Gemini-Sagittarius axis could indeed indicate
ECCENTRICITY combined with a religious group?

Tulsi's natal Sun-Mars conjunction in Aries speaks for itself.
One can only hope that she acts for the best interests of humanity,
for world peace and to help the poor people of the world,
and to arrest the real criminals?

TUCO INQUIRES: When is a pure devotee not a pure devotee?
TUCO ponders this question for a long time...
TUCO FINALLY REALIZES: A pure devotee is not a pure devotee when he is an ASSHOLE.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: January 30, 2016 06:08AM

There are 3 radio shows linked on that page, please note this show at 29 minutes Cox reports that the boat driver has disappeared to New Zealand.

This explains my brother Laksmana Ransons short impromptu trip to NZ was as security detail helping the killer flee and escape the consequences of the crime.

I am troubled that the DLNR is now claiming Sai Hansen was the boat driver making him the fall guy for Siddha Bellord, who was the driver of the boat according to multiple local confirmations and perfectly matching the Hawaii News Now video report claiming the boat driver is 41.

Siddha Bellord is 41, Sai Hansen is only 36-37. All the testimonies of the locals are definitely referring to Siddha Bellord and his notorious behavior on the water. The locals are not referring to Sai Hansen.

I believe there is a deliberate cover up from the DLNR and the biggest suspect should be Mike Gabbard.

See the HNN video story with data points that match Siddha Bellord, NOT Sai Hansen.

http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/db_352775/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=3SBjsyDZ


Go to 29 minutes: http://www.carrollcox.com/JohnNolan012516.htm

Great posts everyone, Googs in fine form!

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: January 30, 2016 12:17PM

How many days since the death of Sri Shim?
And still Tulsi Gabbard has not stepped forward to denounce this tragedy and the same goes for her dad, Mike Gabbard, in charge of
water safety in that area? And the Killer Zodiac boat still in the hands of the owner?

It is very ironic to note that Mr Shim probably voted for Tulsi and Mike Gabbard and this is how they repay his hope/vote.

So I am disgusted yet again to see the latest praise heaped upon this so-called “Hawaiian People’s Delegate":

"Tulsi Gabbard with John McLaughlin (host) and 2 others.
January 10 2016 at 5:00pm · ·
As part of its 2015 “year-end” awards, the prestigious McLaughlin Group has given two awards to congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard—for being the “most honest” person in American politics and “destined for political stardom in 2016.”
"

or this:

"United States Army Military Police Corps Regiment shared Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard's post.
October 13, 2015 ·
Yesterday, Military Police Officer (Hawaii National Guard) and Congresswoman. CPT Tulsi Gabbard was promoted to the rank of Major. Congratulations! Assist, Protect, Defend!”


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Sorrow and condolences for the 12 Marines lost off the shores of Oahu and for State Senator G.Kahele, but
not one word for Sri Shim.

And herein you see the true essence of this Cult of Butler- their ability to
lie, lie, lie... and make you ask for more!

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Kailua incident
Posted by: dharmabum ()
Date: January 30, 2016 08:15PM

In the following days, the viewership of this forum will likely spike. People will check, including the cultists, some of them have stopped believing that the guru has mystic power. Browse freely; the idiot is asleep. The only power he has is another idiot in Hawaii’s State Senate who happens to look like Dracula, and also sucks blood; and his naive, clueless and brainwashed daughter in U.S. Congress. Together, will help make your tax-dollar work covering a crime.

Bring out your facts, accounts, info and best arguments.

It has been fishy since day one. When HNN’s reporter Chelsea Davies uttered the word “accident”, instead of the incident, and did not follow up, it reeked with suspicion. It is incumbent among journalists to choose words that are official (from Honolulu Medical Examiner) or deemed accurate. Nowadays, journalists don’t even choose; they just hear from the gods upstairs and parrot. Perhaps reporter Rick Daysog did not read the memo, or just went activist. I’m hoping witnesses do not get tempted with bribes.

It maybe is too late for a proper investigation; everything is just whitewashing from here on. The Prince walks away unscathed; the movie ends.

But will the people buy the ending?

Damage control works. The only way to counter Internet’s free speech is to overwhelm truth with misinformation. It’s a proven and effective tactic; even mainstream media engages in propaganda, especially when finances are hurting. Public trust in the media is in the lowest of all time, businesswise, that is not good, and the more the media becomes susceptible to corruption, the lesser the trust. It’s a vicious downturn cycle.

It’s really up to the Kailuans, especially the Shim family to keep the legacy of Sri alive and the tragedy not get tainted with deceit. It’s the classic money and power vs. the local ways of life. Concerned citizens are beginning to wake up to the evil amidst them and see the threat to their daily lives. It’s surprising many are not even aware of the cult’s presence, when in poorer countries like Philippines and Poland, the cult operates openly, as if they are mainstream. Why is that? If the head gets exposed, the tentacles die, thus the secrecy. Well, not anymore.

That’s the silver lining in whatever happens. The tragedy has exposed the Butler cult — its arrogance, politics and true nature. Even if the outside world does not bring down the wall, inside, things will change – the kingdom will crumble by itself, from the weight of the guru’s ego. The new generation will begin to see the delusions of their parents and the guru.

At the end of the day, it’s just a belief. There’s nothing wrong with that. The world is changing; even religion itself is changing fast. It’s when a belief is absolute, exclusive and perpetuate the myth of an infallible holy man, who obviously is not, that instead of being truthful, engages in cover up, that it becomes a threat to human decency and logic.

The stark injustice will help shake away the blinders and cast out the spell among believers. Butler and gang can lie through their teeth as much as they want, but truth has a mind of its own. When the tide ebbs, people will see who were swimming naked. This lucrative business of mind-control has to go, finally.

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This is no longer about religion, its about the law
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 30, 2016 10:05PM

Readers, this is no longer a religious issue.

This has become a law enforcement issue.

What would have happened if an ordinary person has been skipper of the
boat?

Why has there been such a loud silence around the circumstances and persons of interest possibly associated with the skipper of the boat?

Was the skipper licensed to operate such a craft?

Where is the skipper today?

Was anyone else a passenger in that boat?

Who are they?

Where are they?

What condition where they in whilst operating and passengering the boat?

Thanks to this delay, there is no longer an opportunity to test their blood and breath for alcohol and other drugs.

Meanwhile, what is happening to the evidence?

The boat.

Who drove the boat? Where was that person after the incident? Where did he or she live, eat sleep and with whom?

Is that person still in Hawaii?

If not in Hawaii, then where? And with whom?

Who else was on board? If you're going to assemble witnesses, you need their names.

Where is the boat?

Who owns the boat?

Where are the ownership papers for this boat?

Skippers log, if one is required to keep a log while operating a boat of this type?

Who purchased the boat?

From whom, when?

Where are the purchase papers?

Is the craft insured? Is the insurance up to date?

Who signed off on that?

Where is the boat berthed when not in use?

Who maintains the boat?

What is the maintenance record, if required to keep such a record?

This is no longer a religion issue.

This has become a legal question and a governance question.

Has Kailua Bay has become an area where the laws of the US Constitution and the State of Hawaii are no longer enforced?

Is Kailua Bay part of the United States of America?

Or, while its residents lay trustfully asleep, did it become a barony
outside the law?

A place where a some privileged person or persons can operate a boat recklessly and never be called to account, whilst ordinary people would be hauled off the jail were they the skippers of the craft?

G-R-A-N-D J-U-R-Y



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: January 31, 2016 03:37AM

APPLAUSE!!
Thank you Dharmabum and Corboy, you both bring up excellent points.
They are both correct on many issues:

Why has this cover up of a crime, not an accident, been allowed to continue unabated and unquestioned?

This is not a matter of religion- it is a matter of a criminal offense and now, the real driver of the boat, may have fled to New Zealand.

To quote Corboy: "Has Kailua Bay has become an area where the laws of the US Constitution and the State of Hawaii are no longer enforced?"

When you elect to public office, a member of an insidious cult, Tulsi Gabbard, who only follows the order of her cult master, Chris Butler, then it follows that the laws of the US Constitution and the State of Hawaii, will be subjugated to the whims and the will of a madman, Chris Butler.

And Dharmabum makes an excellent point here: "It’s really up to the Kailuans, especially the Shim family to keep the legacy of Sri alive and the tragedy not get tainted with deceit. It’s the classic money and power vs. the local ways of life. Concerned citizens are beginning to wake up to the evil amidst them and see the threat to their daily lives. It’s surprising many are not even aware of the cult’s presence, when in poorer countries like Philippines and Poland, the cult operates openly, as if they are mainstream. Why is that? If the head gets exposed, the tentacles die, thus the secrecy. Well, not anymore."

I would like to add to this by stating that there will indeed be many more views here on the forum. Amid the lies, there will stand the TRUTH. Keep posting what we know and keep pushing for justice for the Shim family.

Simply put, a crime has been committed. There has been an apparent cover-up on all fronts which includes the local media as well as elected officials and governmental departments. A Grand Jury investigation is in order and it is only the beginning.

This cult, this so-called “religious” group is anything BUT religious. It is a sickness, a blight, upon the Kailua landscape, it is a way of life for the brainwashed followers of one, Chris Butler, and they are there, hidden in plain sight.

Beware, Kailuans, your loved one might be their next victim.


The Nutshell:
It is a cult owned boat- driven by a cult member, who has now fled the country, who is also the step-son of the cult leader who paid to have one of his devoted followers, elected to Congress, whose ex-senator father is now involved with water safety and regulations in that area, and there has been no word about this tragedy from BOTH these elected cult member officials, no legal inquiry, certain news media outlets have refused to carry the story and certain anti-cult postings have been removed from said media...

Hello, is anybody out there?

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: corboy ()
Date: January 31, 2016 11:04PM

Friends, here is another reason for the officers of the law to get cracking and go to work in Kailua Bay.

Consider the risk if Kailua Bay, indeed if the Second District of Hawaii becomes known as a place where the law of the land is not enforced in a timely manner.

The Second District and Kailua Bay could become attractive to other persons who regard themselves as above the law.

It was bad enough in Malheur, Oregon.

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Yoga and porn
Posted by: dharmabum ()
Date: February 01, 2016 03:37PM

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Yoga and porn, haha.

When will the Western yoga culture understand that the yoga they practice has little to do with mindfulness and God. It is all about being groomed and becoming vulnerable to suggestion and exploitation by Western gurus and predators like Bikram Choudhury, especially when you are a young, lean and pretty female.

This "I am not the body" crap is obviously a ploy. Next time you know, you are being married to a loser and procreating like a rabbit. Your guru needs your children to carry on his racket. In Science of Identity, if you're ugly you're on your own.

If Westerners are really serious about Yoga, they should go to India. It's not pretty.

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