I think the reason they're inequitable in their treatment of yourselves "vs." Ole/TFI is that "I Can't Hear God Anymore" doesnt' just tell Wendy's story and expose Ole/TFI, it shines a spotlight on the lack of discernment that they (Bill and Jackie Alnor) have. It's similar to Eric Pement not being able to admit that JPUSA is a cult. Pe
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To Counselor47 and the Mrs. - Just talked to Ron Henzel, of Midwest Christian Outreach, a few hours ago, and he had nothing but praise for your book! Have you ever thought about sending copies of the book to various counter-cult/apologetics ministries? As far as I know, there's still only one couple that sides with Ole. Godspeed and God bless, Mark
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I posted on 8/4/07 about a discussion board that Trott has posted at. It's an ex-Children of God site at Go to the General section and view the following topics: "Is There a COG/Jesus People Connection" "Post Modern/Structuralist Interpretations Applied to COG" ( Trott's assinine attempt to sound intellectual.) "JPusa" in
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This site may be of help to former JPUSA members: Mark
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There's some interesting info on Aguilar in the first chapter - and in other places throughout the book - of this book:
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There's some interesting info on Aguilar in the first chapter - and at various other places in the book - of this book: Mark
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Apparently Trott is still keeping tabs on the old ex-JPUSA site. One of the threads there mentioned a link to a discussion board that had a post from a former JPUSA whose son was molested and repeatedly beaten while at JPUSA. Trott posted on Monday but said NOTHING about the molestation or beatings. So if your visiting this site Mr. Trott, feel free to post. Perhaps you could comment on the fac
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Zeuszor- Concerning your post two posts above: I don't mean to minimize your experiences or observations at JPUSA, and I don't mean to be disagreeable, however, there were many, many people who posted at the old ex-JPUSA boards who kept saying that "Mama Dawn" (Dawn Mortimer) was the leader of the group, and that the rest of the council were merely her puppets. In regards t
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Zeuszor- Thanks for sharing your experiences with this CULT and for the link. On the ex-JPUSA site I posted above, there were various CRIMES mentioned by the ex-members, as well as stories of one elder who seduced teenage boys, suicides and suicide attempts, and the way the leadertwits was able to fool various state and Federal agencies. IMB(bombastic)O, JPUSA is just a scam run by a bunch of
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Jesus People U.S.A., a.ka. JPUSA, is discussed in chapter 7 of Ron Enroth's book "Recovering From Churches That Abuse". With Ron Enroth's permission, this book is now online in it's entirety at : More info about this cult and stories by ex-members of this cult may be found at:
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Sorry, but there's no subtle way to phrase this question: Why are so many UPC members overweight? I'm not talking a few extra pounds, I'm talking HUGE, as in 300 - 600 pounds? This is a based on people that I know and have heard about through relatives of members. I'm not posting this to be rude. I just want to know why. Mark
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The ETH&S cult's 2nd annual Summer Campmeeting is next week. They used to have their annual World Convention in the summer ( 30 in all ) but attendance and finances have dwindled in the past several years. Gwen Shaw is in extremely fragile health and may be near the end of her days as a world traveler - under the guise of a world missionary of course. I have no clue who her su
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counselor47- Glad you and Wendy are back! The fact that Ole can appear charming to some within the counter-cult community and they don't believe what you, Wendy and other ex-TFI's have to say is proof of the dictum (mine) that some within the countercult community are book-smart and people-dumb. God bless you both, Mark
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has a LOT of bad reviews about BJU. This place isn't a cult but it has waaaaay too many cultic characteristics for a normal "Christian" university. I invited one ex-student that posted there to post here. Hopefully, they and others will.
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Thanks RR! I didn't know you had the links on your site. Mark
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This isn't really about TFI, but is instead about Z's links he provided on 6/23/07. The links are to copies of Ron Enroth's two books "Churches That Abuse" and "Recovering From Churches That Abuse" that are both now on the net. I e-mailed Ron about them and he said that he had given the site owners permission to do this awhile back but didn't know that the
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Thanks RR!
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Just did!
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Zeuszor- I'm with you! Mark
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I incorrectly assumed that NathanA lied about the Jackie Alnor's post because I thought that Jackie removed a paritcular post of hers about TFI from her site. She never removed it, it's just "inaccessable". Yeah, I know that sounds contradictory, but that's Jackie's explanation of how she never retracted her statements on TFI. So how does one find this post? If it&
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Zeuszor- Could be. One thing IS certain: Ole and TFI are NOT above using anyone to serve their own purposes. To me, NathanA is just TFI's usefull puppet on these boards. Ain't no way that TFI and Ole aren't keeping track of what goes on here. Of course if they are, then they are sinning, since that would be an unhealthy case of self interest! Doh!! Mark
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Seeking- He told me he does work. Can't remember where. Zeuszor- Great point. Maybe if we keep shining a spotlight on him, he'll either goof up and reveal who he really is, or just go away on his own. Trolls hide under bridges, i.e. they stay out of the light. Nathan / Pete/ Ole'/ Alnors / et al - Any comments? Mark Scheiderer
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If one clicks on NathanA's profile, and then clicks on "Find All Posts By NathanA", one will see that he literally posts at all hours of the day and night. Seems odd to me. Mark
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Zeuszor- I've thought the same thing (about NathanA being two - or more - people) from the get go. All "he" has to do is send his password on to anyone, and , voila, anyone can post as "NathanA". Also, his comments about why he posts at all hours of the day - he may have said this in an e-mail to me - don't sit right with me. I've also thought that he'
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Zeuszor- Thanks for the link! Fishbulb- You state "... rumored to be quite racist..." Founded in the '20's, BJU didn't admit married blacks until '71, unmarried blacks until '75, and interracial dating wasn't allowed until 2000! Mark
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Has anybody here had any experiences with this university? Any comments?
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Zeuszor- You can't take hallucinogenic (sp?) drugs and NOT open yourself up to demonic influence. As far as I'm concerned, the fact that he did "schrooms" seals it for me. He's demonically controlled. If anyone can find his testimony - which he's probably removed from anywhere on the net - you will see that it is nothing more than a "supernatural experienc
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Scripture tells us to warn others about heretics and to avoid them. ( If I had a Bible handy I would cite two references to prove it.) Wendy and Doug have done the Scriptural thing by warning others about Ole and his cult. Perhaps I go over the line when I assert that someone is not saved. Perhaps not. There's nothing wrong with hoping Ole and his followers will see the error of his/the
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I've just read the posts from the past 5 or so days, and based on what I remember about Ole's "testimony" - which I once heard but don't have a link or reference too - which was pure experience and no mention of sin/repentance/Atonement etc., and based on his teachings and practices, I can say with absolute certainty that he is NOT, NOT, NOT saved! Look at the fruit of h
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Oops. I should have said the "INability to conceive of leaving". Mark
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