Things That Are Done In Secret You know something is wrong when the leadership of (a church ) knowingly accepts $80,000.00 of life insurance from a widow whose husband recently died. A widow who has little children to support and care for by herself. To take as a gift what the widow offered - in reality is taking what a man worked for and provided, for his wife and children should he die - to
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Puddington wrote: "....You're stuck in a bird cage that is way too small for you. But that cage door is open for you. I suggest you go exploring. He is a big God..... ------------------------- Light777 quoted: Peter 3:14: “But even if you suffer for doing what is right, God will reward you for it. So don’t worry or be afraid of their threats.” Proverbs 29:25: “Fearing people is
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Posted by: dbc () Date: December 22, 2017 01:21PM Really, Invisible? Not even a question. Our first act of submission to gain full acceptance into the "remnant" was to renounce Christmas and refuse to celebrate it with our families.The first act of rebellion when the Washington Iowa church split was to put up a big Christmas tree in their sanctuary. ------------------- Just so
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John Stevens, He brought extensive historical teaching about the origin of Christmas and several other holidays. He brought Scriptural references out of the Old Testament to support what he believed gave insight to how the ancient worshipper's of God, being warned by the prophets of old - against the people being caught up in the worship of the other god's - in the nations where-in t
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I think many people had their own experiences, have their own unique thoughts and opinions about Impact but I believe there is very little spoken about Impact any where because of the love so many of the people had for Bob. He wasn't about money, nor was he greedy, and he worked at the company and served in the ministry day and night with out a thought for himself. He and his family lived on
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Many of those who have posted, have expressed they post the things they experienced to help the current members of TLW. Some of the posters express they are looking to be healed and some post to share their experiences and thinking for the purpose of helping one another to be healed of the open wounds that they have carried for many years after no longer functioning and participating as active me
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rond posted May 29, 2017 - 8:29 pm ------------------------- Hi rond, in response to what you posted, I heard what you have expressed in this way- That as a former member of TLW you pondered things that were relative to your own self and faith and concluded that there is nothing new under the sun. And so you found a resting place in your own active spiritual life - by living each day in the
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I agree we may warn - but I think it is important how we go about warning. Let your words be seasoned with grace. Okay - so some people completely condemn or all but condemn JRS. I believe I have been given the right to judge a "matter" for myself but not the right to personally judge to condemn the man, as if I were God. Deeds I can judge and the action I can take - is to no
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Puddington wrote: > It wasn't John's fault that I made John out to be > more to me than he should be. Invisible, I respectfully have to disagree with this one statement. I hold JRS partially responsible. He had the means and authority to correct us when we started to glorify him. He could have shut that behavior down. But he didn't. Instead he fueled it with messages a
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Larry Bobo wrote:......... If I could have just heard "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers." it could have saved me thirty years. ------------------ When I said John Stevens fathered a multitude of young people - I wasn't saying that to elevate John or to disqualify John. If I would have been myself today 50++ year
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lily rose, In the late 60's and early 70's hundreds of young people came flooding into the church and I don't know of anyone who came who was educated in the Scriptures. Peter Whitney and Bowman Littleton were zealous about the Scriptures, but they were kids like every one else among the multitudes of young people who came and remained as members. John Stevens we might say -
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Puddington, What I wrote is what I thought after reading many articles - viewing court documents on line and viewing the video and things spoken on the forum which were a good part of the opinion I expressed. I did not know who Tony Cox's daughter was - that is why I said, what was taking place was hidden from the majority of the members. I met Tony Cox at some kind of a reception
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Sharing my thoughts and opinions' - from my point of view Some things to consider: Tony Cox " kidnapped" his and Yoko's daughter - and the child was hidden and grew up in the church rather than having the " right" to grow up with her own parents, which the law of the land provides for - when parents divorce. The child grew up having been robbed of knowing he
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Lily Rose wrote: ...... I would like to point out that the NT scripture "Be not unequally yoked....." marriage is not even under discussion in the context (2 Corin 6:14). That's right! ------------------------ Lily Rose, Excellent point - I found the same when studying what is written in the whole of the chapter. And if you do a study on the OX you will find that a yok
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rond wrote: Hi Invisible. Above was my clumsy attempt at self deprecation. Truth be known; I've been married to my best friend for 38 years, and we still adore one another. If she were to leave me I'd be shattered. What I was getting at is that Christianity views marriage through a lens that sets the bar unreasonably high. Sometimes relationships don't work out. They just ar
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rond, you wrote: I am so fortunate to have been in love with, and tolerated by the same woman for 38 years, but if she decided to leave me I would want her to be happy with someone else, not waste away the rest of her days in celibacy because of some misguided bible author. ----------------------------------------- I may be misreading the content of what you wrote so if it does not apply
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Hi Larrybobo, In thinking in response to what you posted to me, I too am happy when I see family relationships being restored and I too have received of His mercy and His grace and continue to live my life by faith to the degree that I am aware of how I am to live. I too believe that TLW can be saved from the things they have believed that have become so destructive to the lives of many of th
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NickelandDimed, In reading your above post of May 17: This is what I noticed in reading what was taking place when Jesus made a deeper truth known privately - to His own disciples, which He did not disclose to the Scribes and the Pharisees who could not bear to receive the truth. How does one find peace in God - when one has divorced their spouse and married again - while their spo
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Kilboy wrote: LILY ROSE: Many years ago a couple of active members in TLW caught me filling up my 80 gallon trash can with 3+ decades of ThisWeeks, cassettes, CD's, and LW Volumes. Their outrage and incredulousness was met with a smile and no comment, as they started to rifle through it as fast as I could dump it in. Most of it ended up being offloaded and hauled home to buttress up th
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filthy apron, In your last post of May 3, 2017 You wrote ..........apparently TLW does not have the funds or the wherewithal to take care of their aging population! ............ To Share - PART OF THE VISION FOR SHILOH you wrote a concern for the aging population of TLW. I have been thinking about what you wrote these last couple of days. I thought I would share with you how in
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I think I may understand in part ? Slandt ....... your reaction to what Larry posted. It is the suggestion that there is something wrong with one who is not attending or involved in church today - it is the suggestion that one is yet damaged as a result of past experiences and needs help, so they may become again involved in a church. It is the suggestion that the solution for help may be
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Larry you wrote: I’ve been attending my local church for 17 years and have genuine relationships with the leadership – the honeymoon is long over. I use the word “leadership” loosely – they are looking for places to serve, not be served. Through my church, I have been connected to many other churches of many denominations – something that would never have happened in the time I attended TLWF
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My point in mentioning the ballroom gowns was to show how naive I was. In reality the divorce was about business. But what later surprised me was that Martha wanted 1/2 of what the people thought belonged to them. That was reality. According to the law she was entitled in the eyes of the court, if possible to continue living the life style she had enjoyed and grown accustomed to , while married t
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Lily Rose, Thank you for what you expressed to me. I have come to this conclusion that the Kingdom of God comes on this earth by asking God for His Kingdom to come - for His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven - with out trying to tell God how to go about fulfilling what I am asking Him for. I found this Scripture this last year and it answered much for me. The God who
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NickleandDimed, In answer to your question - I don't know. I was just present one of the days for the court proceedings and the only thing I remember is Martha's attorney requesting as part of the settlement certain monies for expensive ball gowns. Stating that she should be allowed to live at the level she was accustomed to living - during her marriage to John.
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Some information and sharing some personal thoughts to ponder It wasn't until many, many years later after John and Martha's divorce that I realized that we lived as church members having a different mind set - than those who are supported by the offerings of the people. Martha was accustomed to living a certain life style - what most of us back in the day - would call a lavish life
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Excellent message Larry. When I read verse 11 and 12 in the context of the whole of Scriptures you quoted to convey - ( that it is Jesus Words to us that we are to keep and to abide in) -In reading your post another thought that came to mind is that - it is to Jesus Himself one humbles him/herself to - to receive, to keep and to abide in His Words of instruction.
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Lily Rose, You posted......That's how people were forced to live during the Dark Ages. If anyone is a history buff correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that exactly what the Reformation movement fought against, for depriving individuals their freedom to approach God directly without the involvement, meddling, intrusion of the unbiblical Catholic priests..... Lily, My perspective i
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Lily Rose, I thought your post was excellent in describing an aspect of how the dynamics of the relationships within the TLW church evolved - over time. In the context of your message - you noted the desire a person may have - to have a more spiritual life. Perhaps the things we write about will be of help to bring about the means for other people to be able to make wise and informed decisi
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Pbxguy & Changed Again, I understand what each of you are referring to and are talking about by the word "religious." How I was using and what I meant in using the word " religious" idea's , What you are talking about ( by addressing the word "religious" ) - is something completely different than I was referring to. ----------------------- I used
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