Lilly Rose, I wasn't talking about Bob M. when I spoke of the ministry having a heart of stone - I was referring to the mindset that was held by the leadership who had taken over the lives of the members - back in those many years ago. You are right, It is so easy to misunderstand what some one else is saying - with out talking in person - face to face. Good comment about not bei
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Changed Again wrote, One of the few things I'm proud is my response to being put over the worship schedule in SG during the last couple of years of Bob M's life, and letting him do what ever the hell he wanted, including skipping the services. Of course, it was a private agreement we had, and hopefully it will never come to light. ---------------- Changed Again, You must have
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By 1988 I had personally experienced enough ruin and devastation as a result of other's having made decisions independently and against my husbands will and even more the undermining that had taken place by the apostolic ministry being used against me, in my own marriage. So later in 1988, when the congregation was being led to put their trust in the ministry and to entrust themselves a
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RE: Marrying Marilyn There were 2 special services some time - I think in 1988 - one in Southgate and I believe a 2nd service of the same took place the same day in the valley church. Dan S. as an apostolic ministry led the service and led the people - with the support of the apostolic ministry and the shepherds - which was purposed for the members to marry Marilyn. I do not remember if G &
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I would like everyone to know, I was making no criticism - of anyone communicating their thoughts on the forum - in expressing my thought in what I posted. Thank you Lily Rose for sharing.
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One thing I came to conclude in participating in reading the thoughts of other's and in expressing my own thoughts is - that - each of us became involved in the church for many different reasons of which some of the reasons expressed was, they liked having friends, some expressed they were looking for a father figure, some liked certain freedoms, some wanted to be recognized as having value.
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RE: Restricted tapes Here is the way I remember it. Restricted tapes were a different matter, than tapes being rated with one to five stars. Tapes marked restricted were for the apostolic ministries and pastors. The funny thing about it is - that every one present at a service - any and all of the members who were present at a service had already heard what was spoken at a servic
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Kboy, I don't understand what you mean when you offer the idea that the answer is, " the prodigal son." returned home. I don't know what home means to you. If you would - say what your saying in every day words, clearly and plainly that would help me to understand what you are really trying to say. When I pointed out what Jesus said to His disciples regardin
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Regarding love. Jesus said, John 14:15 If you love Me you will keep my commandments. John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father and I will love him and will (disclose My Self to him.) ---- He discloses Himself to those who have and keep His commandments. In order to ( have) His commandments, we must
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To make a clarification: Sorry for the delay on this, In saying what I wrote on an earlier post, about the many religious institutions - saying that they have not heard or received what the Lord instructed - in this specific area - when He was revealing where God IS and how we are to give to the poor or to pray - I want to say I was in no way saying these institutions should not exist. Becaus
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KBoy, I misunderstood where you were coming from when you wrote to me saying , "I am aware of an especially grievous situation where the children of ( close friends.) ...... You called them close friends. In your next communication with me you then wrote to me - "I am not personally involved with either side of the equation, only aware of its existence." I was addr
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KBoy, remember, you wrote this to me: INVISIBLE: I regret to inform you that this practice continues. I am aware of an especially grievous situation where the children of close friends have completely ostracized their parents for being removed from leadership and the fellowship. This situation has already included missing college graduations, and potentially could include upcoming nuptia
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There seems to be a more of a consensus that we are to just to forgive. based on Jesus crying out to God saying Father forgive them, for they know not what they do. But might it be more accurate to say that, Jesus cried out to the Father asking the " Father" to forgive them. He did not Himself openly voice He was or had forgiven them ( He may have forgiven them - but no one kno
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KBoy, Thank you for answering my question as to what you were saying. I think love is something that is very difficult to define with words and often times I think we cannot recognize it.
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Kboy, I do not understand what you are saying in your first paragraph. Not your fault but if you will explain and break it down for me , that I might be able to understand this that you wrote to me. However I do agree that Jesus spoke to Love God with all your heart and to love your brother, your neighbor, just how you love yourself. True religion is to visit your orphans and your wido
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KBoy, I have also heard that this practice continues today where the ministry influences parents or children to cut off their relationship with their parents or their children. . Mainly and simply, because the parents or the children are not given to serve the will of the ministry and to observe the ways established for the people to think and to relate to God and to one another. . The on
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Off and on thru out some of the posts I have noticed that the idea of forgiveness is spoken of in some of the posts. Spoken of as having an importance - as being one of the answers to one's own well being. I would like to share some of my thinking about forgiving some one who has severely wronged you - I will use as an example - when the ministry of the church - influences a man's ch
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Factoverfiction Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I think the deciding > point for me was when I eavesdropped on an APCO > meeting that was restricted. I heard Gary yelling > at the pastors, saying, "Admit it, the reason we > don't have evangelism in this church is because > you don't want it." -------------------------------
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In response & in answer to some of the questions, to those who addressed my earlier post. FCLSC The writer of Ecclesiastes speaks of all that is futility - he points out using paradox - how all men live there life and how both the wicked and the righteous suffer the same fate alike - He writes about all that is futility and that there is nothing new under the sun but he concludes
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Not as an opposing voice but as a reminder, To endeavor to say , we have need to guard our way - on a path in life, which we each will choose how - in the way we will walk. In searching for truth - in all that I have lived - the one thing I don't want to become, is a dog. The warning is - Outside are the dogs. (Rev 22:15 ) : I don't want to find out later down the road t
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( Some History ) When I came into the church November of 1965 - there was no yelling going on in the services. If there would have been - at that time - I would have ran away and never attended another service. But when the church began filling up with young people in the late 60's to the early 1970's things changed. I remember many of the youth coming to church barefooted, and many yo
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P.S. YOU BETTER AGREE WITH ME OR YOU ARE DESCENDED FROM ANAK AND PROBABLY WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR ROBERT KENNEDY ------------- Changed Again, are you yelling at me in capital letters ?
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IMO It was a passing through place - and the main thing hurt by all the screaming that was done -years later, is probably one's own pride. -------------------- What I had in mind in writing the above sentence - is I was reflecting on many of the comments that have been made by many who have posted over the years, who said they were embarrassed or felt stupid - in looking back - in rem
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Anthony D. Cox's statement is both extremely distorted and perverse about J.R.S. telling the ministry to have sex with the certain members of women in the church. In Anaheim - there was a pastor who was preying on some of the women in the church for his own pleasure - using his position as a pastor & as a ministry - to secretly influence some of the women to believe that a shepherd
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Just a few things I noticed in viewing the video. Did you notice that when ever J.R.S' . picture was shown on the video - some one speaks over his voice so you are unable to hear what he is really saying or another persons voice is used - making it appear that it is J.R.S. doing the speaking. What J.R.S. himself spoke - was never heard on the video. And the video is said to be about
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I was told that at the end a memorial service, a love offering was taken up for the children of the man who had died. After the memorial service was over , when one of the family members went to the ministry who was in charge of the love offering, to get the love offering given for them - instead of receiving the offering taken up for the children, they were told by the ministry in charge of
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Lily Rose You wrote about something you remembered hearing first hand among friends - those friends you were among -were directing as a group of friends - that none of you should to be sympathetic to Martha because if you opened up to her and became sympathetic for her - you would open yourself up to transference and would be influenced by her satanic spirit. I believe you were saying
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What I took from what was being taught & spoken was - ( if you were sympathetic you could not be altogether objective. If you were sympathetic you would tend to become subjective to what some one else was going thru and not have the objectivity needed in order to be able to help them. ) Today we may find, that we have in a measure, more of a heart of flesh rather than having a heart of
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I hear ya.
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The reason I posted writing - ( the history of where John attended services , preached or taught, whether he left or whether he was kicked out of any of the churches because of this or because of that - does it really matter? John is not here to speak for himself, ) what I wrote was not to rebuke ( to correct ) to take away from what Lily Rose posted. that she was glad to be finding for hers
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