Blackhat:
Your post quoting McKay doesn't demonstrate much, other than his attempt to spin anything and everything.
Again, when supposed former members (e.g. Joe Johnson) surface through independent communication and visit with their families, this will actually demonstrate something.
McKay's rhetoric means nothing.- Moderator
I must agree with the Moderator that not a word that comes out of McKay, has the slightest credibility to it....although I would also like to thank Blackhat for going to the trouble of passing on this latest "tidbit", as what McKay lies about, inadvertently "tells" a story, (we simply have to be adult enougth to be able to read "through" the lines...)
Along this vein, I thought this a very interesting observation from Sisi,
Trust me, Apollo, Sue told me as soon as Dave got snippy with me, that I could simply ignore him, she implied that is how he was dealt with and she assured me I would have little to do with him at all when I visited her team. I did communicate with a few of the jc forum members in emails and they took the same attitude when Dave went off on tangents but they could say little on the forum...I remember Eliays trying to offer some support only to have Dave twist that. You could tell people were circumventing Dave, dismissive of his petty bellyaching and Sue and others implied to just "go along to get along" and basically not waste time his minutia as it was meaningless and just his style with everyone-it was not personal. Now that she took her family and left, it's easy to see she had likely had enough of him at that point but being it would be difficult to ever say so and not then become immediate enemy backsliders and out of the spirit and all....she and her family have taken the velvet divorce" route and still seemed to make the odd post to keep things "chill with the old bill". [
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Hmmm.....
After the split in 1996, Kevin, Apostate and the others involved "ran the show" for another 16 months or so on their own, didn't they(?)....that's the sort of timeframe I'd expect for the current "arrangements" that McKay is trying to explain away as part of his "grand plan"...(more "Grand SHAM" I'd suspect)...that after that sort of time frame, we would begin to see the REAL evidence of recovery that Moderator refers to (independent communication with family and friends, and the freedom to visit the same as individuals, even where they are clearly "antagonisitc" to McKay)....
Hence I would like to ask Stoic and the Moderator, if in their experience, they have ever seen any "covertly persusasive groups" ever turn for the "good", once they have rid themsleves of their erstwhile leaders....or do they all just eventually "collapse" after failing to reinvent themselves sufficiently.....Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/06/2011 11:10AM by Malcolm Wesley WREST.