I agree with Mal...very good to see the information that documents details carefully zeuszor. I am intrigued with the Children of God connections. I give Cherry credit for seeking help to make sure that her children were kept safe from such miserable circumstances as that COG business....it's a shame she did not just take her children and leave Dave McKay PERIOD unless he stopped this rub
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I'll back Apollo as the one telling the truth. I've never caught him lying as SO many people have caught McKay lying countless times. Typical of McKay too, editing a chat to make himself look better. He's pulled that on plenty of people. He really doesn't want people to see him as gutter mouthed as well as everything else. Before this summer, I would have waited and seen what
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Sheila Johnson has published a very good letter on the Jesus Christians forum. I find this one part especially telling but her entire letter would be worth reading as she tells Joe exactly where it's at with them. Sheila Johnson posted on the Jesus Christian Dave McKay Cult Forum- ....................The conversation you had with Dennis about Reinhard faking his injuries was stemming f
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That is put very well and very clearly Mal. It's good that sWord has collected the post so that it can't be denied or altered at some later date. I would assume that Joe Johnson does question the Jesus Christians when he thinks back on the honesty of the incident that did so much damage to his parents and to himself. Of course Reinhard was hurt and that was wrong but it's also wron
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This pathetic woman is now making ridiculous statements on the McKay forum stating that to quote her """"We know Sisi recently pulled off a successful stunt of ocnvincing me she was another person who has a similar name to hers. We have good reason to believe she has lawyerly cohorts who can make very convincing. phonecalls."""" What utter bullshit. H
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Let her rant Zeuszor...she's digging her own hole. No one...not even McKay or the JC's REALLY believe her......McKay knows but is willing to use her....she's the only one who is willing to keep engaged with him as he goes off on his own tirades..... She has made too many enemies and launched far too many unwarranted attacks against so many people to be believed however she is
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Sorry for being a forum hog and for long writing but there is so much I want to say- Feel free to IGNORE ME-lol- you too Mr McKay as you are reading this site despite your denials. Why don't you just sign up and have an open dialogue with people here instead of sneaking around in the weeds and pulling selected sections for your cult to view??? Mr. Ross might let you post if you ask him. I ju
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Upset and embarrassed? Let see....that would seem to describe the person who is INSERTING HIS BIG BUM into the mix with Joe’s family, BICKERING AND BELLYACHING at Joe's parents, rehashing the past, trying to extort apologies and force the Johnson’s to lie about Rick Ross, dangling the idea if they did, Joe would become available…perhaps…..perhaps….not….. and who is really preventing Joe from
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I cannot think of anyone who would wish Reinhard's injuries to be worse than they were. It should come as a relief to the Jesus Christians that Joe himself SEEMS to have expressed to someone named Dennis.....that the injuries were not as serious....the term SHEILA JOHNSON is using on the DAVID MCKAY FORUM is "FAKED". She is quoting JOE she says. I have no reason to doubt Mrs Johnso
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On the David McKay Forum, Sheila Johnson has posted this question directed to her son, Joe Johnson: QUOTING SHEILA JOHNSON DIRECTLY: "I would like to ask you why you told Dennis that Reinhard was faking his injuries?" UNQUOTE Many people would like an answer to this question I am sure as it's not the first time that it has been said that there was some fakery involved
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I totally agree with you Mal.Something smells and it's not stinky Jesus Christian feet this time.......McKay is up to something and I just pray that The Johnson's are not fooled by this suddenly friendly McKay. I fully believe he could be considering some ambush with media staged to make them look bad. If McKay was interested in Joe reuniting with his family---JOE WOULD BE ATTENDI
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I'm answering a Private Message in public as according to the sender, many people don't understand why anyone should care (waste time as they said) about someone elses experiences within a cult. This person also questioned why some people feel they could have been hurt when they did not actually even join the cult. My thoughts are this. I can't explain exactly why someone else f
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Yes Malcolm, it's a very nasty vicious pattern too....trying to lie about people and then speaking as though the lies are somehow fact! Just because McKay....the McKay who had his own alter identity of Anita Foster-designed to con the media and the public into thinking he was a mother who's child had been ensnared by the Jesus Christians.....he would have carried that out too I am sure
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Well zeuszor. I wish I could give you a hug and I mean that. No one should feel that way. Don't let anyone rob you of the precious gift of life as obviously you make a terminal and permanent choice over a temporary feeling or problem when you commit suicide. I wonder if Mr. McKay is aware of how bad he makes people feel? Does he care? Now you are the second person to put such thoughts int
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*LONG HEARTFELT POST ~FEEL FREE TO SKIP* If anyone doesn't like my style of writing, I'm sorry but I am speaking from my heart. I don't think PM's using terms like "verbosity" are kind or helpful. Sometimes people need to speak/write to heal. Sometimes the information they want to share includes lengthily copy and paste from the JC site or another source so YES th
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McKay attempts to insert himself deeper (if that is possible) into the Johnson families estrangement with Joe Johnson (Said to be JC Co Leader????). McKay has so selflessly offered to "sacrifice" himself.... to "endanger" himself by meeting the Johnson family in an LA airport when he comes to the USA. He is already issuing his "demands" through Joe Johnson. Joe h
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I understand wanting to laugh at and mock those who have hurt us. I feel like that myself at times and I use humour to try to cope with sad or angry feelings. I'm so sorry for any hurts others have suffered and especially in the name of God. I hope people find support and healing here among others who understand and want to offer encouragement. My best to you and please be strong an
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Hi there rinpoche I just read your post etc as I am looking to find abuses within another group. I want to offer a word of hello to you and to encourage you to post here and find like minded people for support. I'm fairly new myself and am browsing around. I'm deeply moved by so many of the stories I am reading. I'm so disappointed and appalled at the terrible degree of hurt
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As I suspected McKay is still courting dsm/little rose and she has not stopped her tirades of abuse against people. I doubted she would be able to stop herself and McKay now openly admits he is still playing games with her despite banning her for appearances sake, from the Jesus Christian forum. Word is he received a degree of negative comment from other JC's who were sick of her insane ramb
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Maybe what she meant was that it's sometimes fun to fly in the face of conformity...? Just a thought.... I see some of the Jesus Christians seem to want to see themselves as rebels and non conformists, like activists.....activists can do a lot of good and make positive change but those same types would refuse to knuckle under to the control of leaders that are not being positive and I don
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Thank you ever so much sWord for answering the questions for well. I think it's helpful to have these such points repeated so that new visitors to this forum can get some answers to such basic questions all in go. The thread is so long and I am sure many questions are answered but it's a bit much to go back and read about 500 pages. *lol* A FAQ on each cult would be an idea......so t
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Thank you, Yasmin. Your posts are always gracious, caring and balanced. Hopefully there can be room for everyone on all forums, those who speak bluntly and assertively and those who still feel there is hope and post with compassion and mercy. As long as we remain respectful of each other, don’t invalidate the others experience, then we can have forums that as many as possible will feel comfortabl
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Sorry there Blackhat if I did use the wrong word....not trying to argue just comparing what words can mean as we all from different places. See I will say............Bill was ranting and raving about how he hates ACDC. That means to me that Bill's opinion was VERY over the top and that I sort of am putting him down by suggesting he's being unreasonable. I might say She just raved
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Posted By Jared Johnson on David McKay's Jesus Christians Forum Note to the mod here-I hope it's OK to post the letters as they are already public on McKay's site however if it's wrong please advise me. Apparrently "he" IS gathering IP addresses and some people do not want to have to go to his site to read as they have too much to lose should he get nasty with the
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Posted By Joe Johnson on the David McKay Jesus Christians Forum Re: To Sheila, Jared, or any other Johnsons/Simpsons 21/10/2010 08:10 Hi Sheila, I brought up the attack on Reinhard, and our need to resolve what led to it/the aftermath, in response to Jared's request that I come home. I wanted to make it clear that you should not expect any home visits from me until we resolve our
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I know this is very late in coming but I wanted to comment to a few of dsm's comments above. Firstly....I think going into any sports forum and telling someone their team is a bunch of wusses...is pretty stupid unless you thrive on fighting and verbally brawling with strangers. Perhaps going to a forum and finding some commonalities with like minded people would seem more.....balanced
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Malcolm said---The JC's farm the kidneys of their members to buy "good press", The "cost reimbursement" payments" serve as income (please trace the destination of these payments!) It has become a "rite of passage" for members, whereby they may "thumb their noses" at their friends and any family who caution them) Very aptly put Malcolm. Your
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Sorry too Zeuzsor....I replied in haste without seeing the mod had replied. Only read a couple posts then replied. I'm behind. I was not having a go at you just trying to keep us ALL-self included- from focusing on the guilty party which is McKay 100% and his way he runs his cult, treating members like slaves and like dirt, keeping families-his too-apart and estranged. On the term "r
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Zeuzsor With all due respect about your comment: The son's interests are IMHO purely personal and consist of protecting his and his extended family's reputation. He would have liked littlerose's comment about artists not being in the system! Still a JC at heart? PLEASE don't say things like that period. It just creates walls and barriers between people where there sh
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It's revolting to witness a son have so little respect for his parents and all they must have done for him when he lived at home. I have read of all the extra activities Johnson boy was afforded and he comes off as having been a VERY spoiled pampered child. He speaks of his parents being so materialistic but somehow I bet little Joe was right in their enjoying the name brand sneakers and the
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