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Madshus
I'm curious - is there something specifically taught in Impact Trainings that downplays hope? If so, how is explained, conveyed, etc?
Semantics. As formerimpG stated, in Quest, the trainer will cue up a lecture that illustrates that no one in the training room has what they are hoping for in life, so hope doesn’t get you what you want, but it is also another way they coach language to enforce conditioning.
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Whoa
This person has even stated to me they would not benefit being in a relationship with someone that has not gone through the trainings. :shock: The 'family' has become first priority, and the ones that have stood by this person showing actual unconditional love are being shut out. I'm at the point of tossing my hands up in the air and acknowledge defeat, right now this person is completely un-reachable by anyone outside the 'family'. Suggestions?
I disagree with some of what Rswinters posted concerning your question Whoa, since I am living proof of someone who got out because those who cared about me never gave up on me. I also disagree with it entirely the fault of the trainee for their “choices”. Many trainees are no more accountable for their brainwashing that a girl is accountable for her rape simply because she walked down the dark alley. I cringe at stating ANY situation as emotionally and rationally touchy as this problem is with snap judgments or in absolute terms. Rswinters, as you said, shame on you and me, BUT much [i:8819146946]much[/i:8819146946] MUCH [i:8819146946][b:8819146946]MUCH[/b:8819146946][/i:8819146946] more shame on Klemmer and Impact. Don’t be so hard on yourself. We are all victims to some degree, some more than others. There are many examples of victims in the world; thusly I do not agree that LGAT’s are right in their black and white accountability theory at all. I have expounded on this idea at length in a previous post on this thread. That being said, I will not understate the difficulty of “rescuing” someone from the clutches of Impact.
As I have said before (or something like this) the crux of the problem ultimately lies upon the shoulders of the trainee/grad, but not wholly. They must be willing to engage in dialogue, although at first all they are doing is talking to you about it in hopes that you will come around and see the Impact vision. You inevitably will come to ask a question of yourself, “Is this person/relationship worth the effort?”, because you may have to pound your head bloody just to get them to give a little tiny teensy weensy bit of ground. And you may not. It all depends on who they are and how deep they go down the rabbit hole. The bitch is in the details (your friend’s background, temperament, religious affiliation/convictions etc.), and they are necessary to start a profile so that a plan of action can be implemented. Unfortunately it is hard to give details that will not give away identities. I suggest well phrased lies that will successfully address the issues without giving away who they are. I will help as much as I can, if you want to PM me, feel free. As far as addressing their new "family", I've posted about this before, but I can't remember exactly what I said. It is the hurdle you must jump in order for you to get in. It is Impacts most insidious weapon.
I agree with most of what formerimpG has suggested. I do think that the very notion of “unconditional love” is problematic. Try and get away from any condition for a reason to do anything. Just try.
Also, the TERMINATOR formerimpG?!? ROTFLMAO, I know who said that!!! Oh man that’s FUNNY! He was, uh…”not right in the head” as it were.:lol: