Just a quick question, What is the symbol and sign of of a hand holding up four of its five fingers?? What does it mean, represent, etc??
There is a process in the Quest training where the trainees and the staff circle up in a double circle resembling an O inside an O shape. They face each other and are instructed to acknowledge each other in one of four ways. They signify how they will acknowledge each other by raising their right hand and voting with how many fingers they put up (this is a silent process). A one finger vote denotes that the two people facing each other make no eye contact. A two finger vote denotes mere eye to eye contact should be shared between those who stand opposite from each other. Three fingers signify eye-contact and a handshake, and a four-fingered vote means a hug. Sometimes the trainer will joke about how a five fingered vote belongs in the bedroom with a spouse etc. One ring rotates clockwise, the other counter-clockwise, and sometimes they will make the group vote and then rotate the circle another person down, but the trainer insists the same vote stand for the unintended person. The trainer will then say something to the effect of: "How does that make you feel to give this vote to this person who you otherwise yada yada...". Then the circles break up into a mingle and each person is to vote five or so more people they had not voted before now. [b:3da10672d6]The four fingered salute is a touchless hug[/b:3da10672d6], and if you are to have success and approval in this program, you had better condition yourself to be willing to give this vote to everyone on the planet.
don'tlikeimpact...most of the time when I come across someone removed from the training who talks about benefits that they received from Impact they are still seeing things through conditioned eyes. I think I can speak with some degree of experience because I felt the same way for a time. I eventually realized that the only benefits that I received were the result of my decision to learn hard lessons as my life and the lives of those around me went straight to hell due to our association with the Impact Trainings.....
I really like how you explained this. It speaks to my own thoughts, which I couldn't exactly verbalize; they've been swirling around, unorganized and I glimpse them whenever people ask about or testify that, despite the negatives of LGATs, there are also positives. It somehow seems tricky to me to explain why the hard learning from these experiences is not a good thing. After all, isn't all learning good? You said it really well.
I agree fully with skeptic here. In previous posts I've tried to articulate the process, and although I think what I've shared is valid, you wrapped it up more tidily than I.
I have obtained several documents from the state courthouse detailing various tax liens, lawsuits against and judgments for and against the Impact Trainings Corp and/or Hans and Sally specifically. Is it possible to post these documents in PDF format on this website? All of the documents are a matter of public record.
While I have been able to obtain state records, I have had a more difficult time obtaining Federal records. Assuming that each state tax commission lien also has a federal counterpart, there are likely more and larger judgments against the group than what I have been able to obtain so far. Does anyone have any suggestions for obtaining the federal records?
It looks like there is a current lawsuit by a former employee named Earl Seeley. Last I saw Impact had been forced to pay Earl 19k, but it looks like there are still some judgments pending. I will post the documents that I have if I can get clearance from RR and also make a post with the next court date in case anyone wants to attend!
My mouth is watering in anticipation for this information. Very cool. It’s surprising about Mr. Earl Seeley. He was still around before I left Impact and was an active TITer. As far as I know, he was also seriously dating senior Summit trainer Pamela Bushman (now Roberts I hear) but I could be mistaken. As close as I was with others in the office, some things were very taboo topics.
Thank you all for keeping this thread alive. It is profoundly appreciated.