Jeff,

You're mixing up apples and oranges again. I don't for one minute - okay maybe just for one minute - believe Hansard's fantastic tale. But that is not my point. Regardless of where he got it, he was on to something. He can sing songs and recite rituals in a language that is clearly not Tibetan but also has a clear syntax and grammer. He knows something of a language he calls Kapi, and each word has a meditation that goes along with it, unlike anything I or anyone else has encountered. His twelve ways invocations name all the dieties complete with mantras. He knows several tantras. He can build fires following very clear structural design. He designed a small stupa. He teaches an exercise system that is balanced and unique and not found anywhere else. He has knowledge of a form of massage also not found elsewhere. His Positive Thinking book has rituals and meditations profoundly unusual and effective.

I don't think he made all this up. If he found it all in some obscure text, which text? And where is the translation? There is no doubt he is damaged goods, but don't you see? These things are the reason people believed in him. These things are real. Just because Tibetan orthodoxy says they don't exist, the fact is, they do. I and others have experienced them. And that is why they put aside their discomfort so they could learn from him.

By all means go after him for lying. By all means question the people who enabled this to go on. But stop condemning him for not conforming to Tibetan orthodoxy when neither you nor anyone else knows the truth of where he got his knowledge. And stop persecuting the victims of his crimes as if they are responsible. Hansard at times displayed a psychopathic level of control over people and if you have never been around people with psychopathic tendencies, take my word for this: none of us are hardwired to know what to do with that, or even recognise the tendency. We either run away from them as quickly as possible, or become confused, or focus on the reason for being there in the first place and write it off to a difficult or eccentric personality.

Kudos to Dorje, Cirrus, Gondolf and Pema and everyone who has taken clear steps to move this from talk to action.

Ignoring is a powerful way to discourage unwanted anything. Replying to the hounding repetitive statements of Jeff Bowe apparently only fuels him. Clearly logic, niceties, frustration and anger have utterly no effect on him.

I'm sure we can call stay focussed and let the rest pass by.

Dear Cirrus, since you stated you were involved in the clinic can you tell if you saw any positive improvements with his/your clients and could you give some (anonymous) examples? Also concerning his acupuncture and medicine prescription, did you learn that direct from him or did he also use any books or other sources?

Thanks as always to Mariah – a wonderfully clear voice. Also, to the rest of you of course because so many clear voices gather here. Nothing matters really beyond the fact that Hansard has abused so many people and must be stopped. Go to the police if you have experience of this and/or go to Pema.

I’m still waiting for information on a facilitator to gather people and statements and I’ll let you know when I have it.

A point of interest. Eight years ago I was in Bhutan. I met a rimpoche who had renounced his destiny in favour of being a hotelier – and hunting and partying. A nice man. I was informed of another who sold curses and promises. I saw his two sick and incurable children. My Bhutanese friend was quite sure why. Reincarnate or not reincarnate it is clear that Hansard does more harm than good. Let’s stop worrying about where he gets it from and stop him doing harm.

Chris - go home, you have a child.

Re:Gondolf's Posting

[i:9394259382]"He can sing songs and recite rituals in a language that is clearly not Tibetan but also has a clear syntax and grammer [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]How can you assert or prove this with any certainty, as this 'language' is uknown to you? As to logical syntax and grammar such coherance is present in over 30 recently constructed lanaguages) . Well one wonders what language that is? Is it the one which Hansard uses in his bizarre Flowering Lotus Tantra, which contains clear elements of Russian, Greek and Sanskrit words, clearly not some unique tongue, known only to Hansard. [/color:9394259382][/b:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]He knows something of a language he calls Kapi, [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]A language recognized by linguists and with a written history? Which region is this spoken, and by which people? According to the Dur-Con fantasy Hansard was taught by a mysterious Tibetan from Amdo a region in which the only language/dialects are Amdo-Tibetan and Golok-Tibetan. So where did Hansard obtain/learn this interesting ‘language? Perhaps telepathically from 'Vulper', a spirit entity, from the Con Star System?[/b:9394259382][/color:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]and each word has a meditation that goes along with it, unlike anything I or anyone else has encountered. [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]Your ignorance of this does not prove its validity or authenticity[/b:9394259382] [/color:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]His twelve ways invocations name all the dieties [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]Well as Hansard has stated, his 'system' is not Tibetan Yundrung Bon, presumably 'his' deities will be different?[/color:9394259382] [/b:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]complete with mantras. He knows several tantras [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]
What language are these written in?[/b:9394259382][/color:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]He can build fires following very clear structural design [/i:9394259382]
[b:9394259382]
An idea created from the opening pages of Professor Snellgove’s definitive study of genuine Bon, 'The Nine Ways of Bon' which shows authentic Bon's sacred land of Olmo LungRing. [/color:9394259382][/b:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]He designed a small stupa [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]A basic design available to anyone with a library card.[/b:9394259382][/color:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]He teaches an exercise system that is balanced and unique and not found anywhere else . He has knowledge of a form of massage also not found elsewhere [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]This does not give any credence that his system is ancient or genuine. [/b:9394259382][/color:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]His Positive Thinking book has rituals and meditations profoundly unusual and effective [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]Subjectively perhaps, but individual perceptions does not demonstrate the veracity of his claims or 'system'. [/b:9394259382][/color:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]I don't think he made all this up. If he found it all in some obscure text, which text? [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]He did not, just plagiarized from available sources on genuine Bon, particularly Namkhai Norbu’s book.[/color:9394259382] [/b:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]And where is the translation? There is no doubt he is damaged goods, but don't you see? These things are the reason people believed in him. These things are real [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]They are perceived experiences, not historical, anthropological, linguistic or cultural facts. [/color:9394259382][/b:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]Just because Tibetan orthodoxy says they don't exist, the fact [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]It is not by definition a fact, only an assertion unsupported by any verifyable evidence[/color:9394259382][/b:9394259382]

[i:9394259382] they do. I and others have experienced them [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]You experienced a subjective perception, not objective verifyable evidence that his system is either genuine or ancient. [/color:9394259382][/b:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]And that is why they put aside their discomfort so they could learn from him. [/i:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]By all means go after him for lying. By all means question the people who enabled this to go on. But stop condemning him for not conforming to Tibetan orthodoxy [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]He did not conform rather plagiarized and distorted[/color:9394259382][/b:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]when neither you nor anyone else knows the truth of where he got his knowledge [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]Knowledge it was not, invention yes![/color:9394259382][/b:9394259382]

[i:9394259382]And stop persecuting the victims [/i:9394259382]

[b:9394259382]My attentions have been directed at his associates/acolytes [/color:9394259382][/b:9394259382]
[i:9394259382]
of his crimes as if they are responsible. Hansard at times displayed a psychopathic level of control over people and if you have never been around people with psychopathic tendencies, take my word for this: none of us are hardwired to know what to do with that, or even recognise the tendency. We either run away from them as quickly as possible, or become confused, or focus on the reason for being there in the first place and write it off to a difficult or eccentric personality".[/i:9394259382]
[b:9394259382]
The mind’s ability to rationalize and excuse questionnable behaviour never fails to amaze![/color:9394259382][/b:9394259382]

Actually the deities of the first nine ways are the same as those given in the teachings of Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche, The Nine Lha who created the World.

If you study these teachings, you will see that the complete teachings given by Chogyam Trungpa were lost when he left Tibet - evidence that there was at least a system of teachings unknown to the venerable Jeffrey Bowe, which have been lost in the mists of time. Such things have been known to elude historians addicted to facts!

I would like to ask JB (at the risk of more exposure to crazy rants) what is your motivation for devoting your life to studying Tibetan spirituality? Do you have a spirituality of your own? Are you of Buddhist or Bon belief, or neither? Are you atheist? Do you believe in anything that cannot be proven? If not, why are you supporting Bonpos who believe in the mythical Tonpa Shenrab, and the mystical land of Olmo Lungring?

Just a question, as you come across like a confirmed atheist / rationalist, supporting one of the ancient mythical / shamanic belief systems existing in our world.

Try telling Bonpos that they only believe in Santa Claus!

What is the real reason you hate Hansard so much Jeff? This has gone way beyond standing up for "authentic" Tibetan culture. Other than through his lies and false advertising, have you ever even met the guy? And in respect to his plagiarism, could you give some specific references? Just to add, do you really care at all about the people that were hurt by him, or is this just a witchhunt for you?

It seems to me Jeff Bowe, that it annoys you that there can possibly be someone more charismatic than you (have you ever met a charismatic person?)

And it annoys the hell out of you that your perceived master of "dur con", could possibly dupe people on the strength of his personality - or could he be - gasp - actually a real shaman - one who has lost his way?

No, the very thought is unthinkable to you, because it does not fit into your reality.

I do not know exactly what reality you live in - but it seems to be one that is obsessed with Christopher Hansard - without having ever actually met him!

I wish you all the best on your path,

Kurukulla

Dear Roger12

I also worked in the clinic, there was a man who was cured of spinal cancer. There were others who were cured of cancer and other diseases, including ME which is notoriously difficult to cure. Many patients would regularly say they were feeling much better psychologically, which is a huge part of illness, and I personally experienced the treatments being very powerful.

I believe in the treatment 100%, but unfortunately I believe that Hansard should not be practising, because of his illness. This is very sad. If he had respected the tradition more, he could have perpetuated it, and brought something beautiful into blossom. This is not now to be the case.

I have had Chinese acupuncture, and Tibetan Dur Bon - the Tibetan I found to be profoundly different and sensitive to the individual - but unfortunately having one exponent and one teacher, he has ruined it with his lifestyle and his ways.

He clearly did not respect the gold that he had in his hands, and preferred to squander the benefits on wine, women and song.

Dear Group,

Usually a medical board can sue a person for acting or purporting to act as a medical doctor, for doing exclusive acts such as diagnosing medical conditions. Because Christopher Hansard did "diagnose" quite blatantly and actually take people off their medications (!! that takes stones!!), this would most likely be obvious enough for an action against him from the medical licensing board. People who have direct knowledge of him telling diagnoses and billing for it would have to write to the medical board with precise details and they would investigate. A person who holds a license is easier to punish, fine or reprimand. a member of the public such as Himself would be sued. Thats' an approximate rendition of how licenses work in Canada.

We probably need the name of the registrar or chief person who receives complaints at the Medical board office and their contact info. Anyone with details can write in and they have to investigate. not sure how it works if there is a complaint from over the pond...

I note again that MRS Hansard knew who he was/was not and profited greatly from his lifestyle. She is just as much contributing to the fraud.

As to the google search not bringing this to the top - I think google searches for the number of times a word or phrase is used and lists the article with the highest count. This is used in ads wherein you repeat the phrase you think people will be searching under if you want your business website to come up. So, we've been saying 'CH' - whay not write out the full name each time and see if we can bump the numbers up?

PS, I attended a course with an authentic Tibetan who said it was not any language she recognized. Only names of gods were indentifiable. But I and many others have had direct shocking and personal experience with Christopher Hansard reading our minds, full stop. And many siddhis and energy games which impressed the hell out of everyone and assured his exalted position for a long time. He flew me off my chair with an electric jolt that caused me to fly up and fall over sideways, bringing the chair with me, without touching me. I was extremely intuitive and rather prophetic for months afterwards. Whatever that was/is , I wanted and still want it!! Without the insanity, of course.

Christopher Hansard, go home, you have a child.