I'm not sure what happened with that last post. Most of it disappeared as I Was posting, and the editing was crap, haha. Anyhow, I'll repeat much of it now, but perhaps a bit more diplomatically.
Disillusioned, Ill just refer to you as DI for short, if that's ok. Quicker to type haha. You bring up really important points. I'll show some inner workings of Swartz that is really relevant to control of students, giving opportunity to abuse.
> Reading through what you’ve posted - man,oh,
> man.... if the drama and the nonsense is no
> different for them than it is for anyone else
> (which is clearly so) then what’s the point
That is a really good point. And it's about the famous saying, a gurus feet are made of clay. Teachers are ordinary people, and its before enlightenment chop wood carry water, after enlightenment chop wood carry water. In traditional Vedanta the external world remains the same. It's one's perception that changes, and this changes the experience. For example, it may seem on the outside to others that this thing with myself and SWartz causes me unrest. It doesn't at all. Quite the opposite in fact. There is no problem with karma, at all. The enlightened person is more prone to action, rather than reaction. Reaction is the knee-jerk stuff. Look at Swartz's reaction to TheSpares political views. I'll mention something about that in a second. But to answer what you're pointing out, it is that peace is not outside. Initially it is 'inside'. But really, peace is what one is. This means that the person can be in the middle of a hell-hole, but they will be at peace anyhow. The difference is that most people will try to run from drama or problems, the enlightened person doesnt need to do that. Drama and problems are the same. Since this is so, the enlightened person will not judge. In my lineage we don't do that. I've witnessed this non-judgemental attitude first hand. SWartz however, is never done judging others. And that is telling.
Before I forget, and this is a general point. The SWartz' have put down Trump, and they promote the democratic party. They have also expelled one of the most important people they've ever had, over his political views. Shiningworld members that support the republican party and Trump (who represents them), are now afraid that their political views are known. This is one half of democracy we are talking about. To try to use spiritual teachings, and to actually carry out exile if you dont agree, is horrendous. The Shiningworld members that support the republican party and Trump, have a moral right to do so if they choose. However, just like Jews were afraid to be open about their religion in world war two, so to are Shiningworld members in regard to politics. . That is a fact. The Swartz are spiritual nazis.
To the Shiningworld members reading this... You are in an organisation in which going into a new reltionship is frowned upon. You're in a group in which the head teachers are always right, in all things in life. And you better not challenge them. You are in a group in which, in 2021, you are afraid to be open about your political views. What is it going to take for you to realise that you are being controlled and manipulated? Over the last few days i've spoken with 5 ex-shiningworld people. I am the 6. When we were in Shiningworld we blindly supported the SWartz. All of us did. It is only when we got threw out that their control on us faded, and we began to see them for what they are. Look at the Shiningworld accounts that come on here. Look at what they say. They blindly follow Swartz, refuse to look at the evidence of the SWartz own words. That is how way Swartz operate in regard to being a cult. Rick Ross, this forum owner, one of the worlds foremost experts in Cults, has 10 points that are signs of a potentially unsafe group or leader. I've just looked at them again. I can prove with digital evidence that SWartz ticks 8 of those. 8 out of 10. Shiningworld members, those that have chosen their legal and democratic right to support Trump... you're afraid to let that be known. Are you happy being in that place, of fear and control? Is that the freedom that they are offering? I can honeslty tell you, that the world is much brighter outside of Shiningworld. And I Will explain directly below why this is the case.
> If these vasanas continue to trip everyone up,
> equally - then what’s the big deal with all this
> elevating of anyone, or of any practice, teaching
> or understanding of truth. How is this Vedanta
> according to James, any different to any of the
> other multitude of teachings and teachers, that do
> the rounds.
> The Truth stands.
That is a really good point. The short answer is that with the correct teachings, vasanas wont trip the person up. Swami Dayananda taught a very prominent Swami something once. It is a one sentence teaching. The Swami was in training then, and was having challenges, but this one sentence changed everything. Years later, the Swami is a global name now. He was my Guru for a time (even though Shiningworld come on here and refer to him saying he wasn't, I have it in email from him, himself agreeing to be my guru - little signal to Swartz' that im happy to also reveal those screenshots to prove you once again lie). I had challenges at one point in particular, and the Swami in turn taught it to me. And it changed everything. One of three pivotal teachings. It is: Why are you bothered about the mind? It doesnt affect you.
In traditional Vedanta we do not do this vasanaa busting crap. We are taught in such a way that conditioning takes care of itself. And it doesnt play out, as we dont give it any attention. However, if you carry on thinking that it does or can, then it will. Enter Shiningworld teachings...
When I was with Shiningworld I only studied what JAmes SWartz said, and his wife. I did not expose myself to any other teachers in the world. For 8 year solid. There was a time that I went to prison, for 14 months. Imagine what a 14 month retreat only Studying your teachers material, would be like. So, yes, Im fairly confident that I understand what Swartz teaches. I also understand what my lineage now teaches. And, I understand the differences, and from a teachers perspective the impacts of those. There is no point even saying that the teachings are the same unless you have been a teacher in both, because reading a few teachings from one or two other teachers is not verifying that they are the same. I'm going to explain what is different, and why this is disastrous for anyone wanting freedom in Shiningworld. And I'll explain why Swartz has done this.
There is too much focus on vasanas, karma yoga & gunas in what Swartz teaches. Asi said, to focus on needing to sort vasanasa reinforces that they can impact you, and this is the opposite you meant to be taught that nothing can impact you. It's my opinion (and I am researching this James Swartz), that Swartz was never gave permission to teach by Swami Chinmayanda. The training was no proper that Swartz had, because he isn't teaching according to our tradition. I look at what he teaches and he leaves out adhyaropa apavada. This is deliberately using dualistic teachings to set the stage, then take them away. You cannot own the knowledge that you are not impacted by conditioning if you are also trying to sort out 'your' conditioning. It is preposterous. What it will do is keep you suffering. That is, keep you needing James SWartz. Ker-ching!
But if this is the case, why is there so many good words about what he teaches? The reason is because of his focus on two other teachings. The next one is the gunas. He had a lot of pride in this video release on Guna management. Saying there has never been something to extensive in that topic taught. Eh, any idea why Swartz? Do you think that every teacher before you forgot about them? Hardly. While they are taught, they are not a focus. Again, this is maya karanam, the effect of maya. It is samsara, dualistc teachings. And of course, if you are managing your conditioning, emotions, vasanas/gunas, then you are reinforcing that you a limited being. That is NOT freedom. And yes, it will keep you tied to the teacher, as you begin to have a feel good with this teaching, and go all starry eyed. Life seems to be sorting itself out. it's only an experence though, and it will end. So you keep needing the teaching and the teacher. Kar-ching!
I've saved the best for last. Karma Yoga. A part of me is sick hearing Shiningworld drone on about it. It is preparation. When sadhana, actual teachings begin you are no longer a karma yogi, you are a jnana yogi. Swartz keeps getting his students, even so called enlightened ones, to identify as a karma yogi, and carry on with karma yoga. There are only two karma yogis in our teachings that attained enlightenment. It is not by karma yoga that it happens. It manages life though, and things start to go smooth. For a time. So, once again, we are starry eyed to Swartz. Swami Paramarthananda is one of the most prominent global teachers. He is a teacher in my lineage, as he took sannyas with Swami Dayananda. In Swami Paramarthananda's commentary on Mandukya, I think it is in chapter 3, he teaches that karma yoga is jiva/jagat/Isvara. Basically, I am a limited being and there is God. That is a seperation. It is called triangular format. Then there is binary. Shiningworld teachings generally stop here. They will not agree but I will explain why. When you carry on using dualistic teachings like vasana & guna control and karma yoga, in teachings that are meant to be advaita, you diluted the potency of it all. So generally the student stays in binary. This is not enlightenment. Only if the person is already evolved will the teachings work in this way. TheSpare is an example (this is my opinion). Another example is a current teacher, Rory. And I know of another. However, what is only of interest to traditional vedanta is the most expedient way for everyone. Not a chosen few.
So there is binary, then there is advaita. From my interactions on here with Shiningworld I can see from the words used that even though they claim freedom, it is not what they think. We have a very high standard. And it's shown in the words used, the way they are used. Which is why the tradition is oral. Most importantly is that SWami Paramarthananda teaches in chapter 3 that if you carry on with karma yoga, then you will stay in samsara! You will not attain enlightenment. that REALLY needs to sink in. Go check for yourselves (Shingingworld). Swartz is teaching yet another teaching that will stop you being free. I have witnessed first hand how people in advanced sadhana still use this karma yoga thing. We are taught by Shankaracharya, that we are to leave karma kanda behind. The entire portion on karma must only be used to cross the ocean of samsara he says, like a boat. When we reach the other shore we must leave it behind and carry on on foot. Go read it for yourself, Shiningworld.
So, we have certain teachings that will make you feel good at times, and seem to sort out life. But it keeps you in samsara. Needy, limited. And it keeps you needing Swartz. Ker-ching! If he's reading this, I invite him to debate with me in email. Any of his groupies reading this, let him know. As long as he knows that our emails will be published word for word.
He is also regard as a philosopher in Vedanta. And that is in fact an insult. One of the most famous Vedanta teachers in the world says that his teachings might lead someone to the Upanishads! This is even though he claims to teach them. Why is this said about him? Because it is not the material that is taught, it is the WAY that it is taught that makes it traditional Vedanta. And he is not teaching that. Since he is not teaching that, he is teaching modern, neo vedanta. The very group he tried to put down. He also attacks peoples like me, effectively saying I am a sexual predator, and that I abuse students by taking cash. It's all deflection, and is in fact hat he is guilty off. James, you have been taking advantage of your students for years financially. You need to publish your financial records for the last three years. I know that you have been up to no good. His students reading this, let him know i'm demanding both him and I release our financual records. Its time to put your money where youe mouth is SWartz. Lets back up what we are saying. You can email me about this also.
The last thing is that he says that Vedanta is the science of consciousness. No, it is not! Vedanta is not science. We are taught not to teach that. Science is something that is a matter of debate, and Vedanta is not. Science is a current working hypothesis that changes. Vedanta is not. Science is a dualistic discipline. Vedanta is not.
> But it seems that the living out of it, is never
> going to be any different, for any one. If the one
> jiva is simply that (or this, as you’ve portrayed)
> and if a so-called teacher like James falls prey
> to the same dramas that we all do, one way or
> another, what’s the big deal about any of it?
The Swartz' seem to thnk they can tell if a person is not enlightened. In actual Vedanta it is taught that that is extremely hard to know. The fruit of Vedanta is the ability to go with the flow. Not go with my preference of what the flow is, but go with whatever the heck is going on, or down. Whatever, anything. It's why i've used things like this with myself and the Swartz' as teaching examples for my students, to see my private way of being and thoughts about such things. A teacher, or even an enlightened person, is a person. Just because they have a title, doesnt mean they are any better than another. In fact, to think so would not be enlightenment. That reminds me...
Here is James Swartz latest satsang (https://www.shiningworld.com/the-land-is-flooded/)
I have never spoken face to face to a person who is a true spiritual master let alone to someone of your caliber;
for god's sake man, get a grip. You need to take a reality check, and consider stop posting this self-glorification crap. You are looking like a fool, do you know that? Was this even wrote to you? I dont believe it was. I think you made that up yourself. Will you post the dated email that shows this was really sent? If you do I will apologise to you here on the forum. If you dont, well, you are a liar making up what you think are grand acclaims, but in reality not so. The position of traditional vedanta teachers is that we would never post such Rubbish. If a student ever said that to me, I just shrug. As I do if they judge me. We take neither praise nor criticism. How do you not know this? Where you never taught this basic rule in regard to teaching. You are nor a proper teacher of traditional Vedanta. If you disagree, lets take it to email. We can put forward our views, and also evidence. There must also be evidence. Not simply our own words.
> He prides himself on his “apology” to me, after he
> indiscriminately shot his mouth off.
> When I corrected the fact with him, he maintains
> that he apologised for what he had said. What he
> “apologised” for, was for ever believing that
> Vedanta was “for me” as he put it.
What he said doesnt even make sense. How would be know whether Vedanta is for you or not? It is a simple matter of going to another teacher. When I was about to leave Shiningworld, he keeps pestering me with emails. He told me that it is a lonely world out here without God. So I left. Joined my lineage, and became a teacher. Shows what he knows. He also ordered me to stop teaching Vedanta. 10 days later my lineage sent me an email from the Ashram, saying I have permission to carry on teaching. He doesn't seem to actually know a lot of things in regard to Vedanta at all. And, for someone who has these incredible resources, he seems to have done jack shit in regard to harming me. The opposite has occurred, lol. He doesnt speak for Vedanta. No-one speaks for Vedanta.
> His apology wasn’t one of “oh shucks I shouldn’t
> have said what I said because I was out of line to
> have accusesed you of being a prostitute and of
> saying that you should make a really good go of
> it, and earn enough to buy yourself a really smart
> campervan etc - before your looks fade”, but
> rather “sorry I said that because I wouldn’t have
> said it if I had known that you were unqualified
> for Vedanta, (and therefore that your life is none
> of my business.)”
I'm going to say something, and I hope it doesnt offend. To me it doesnt seem that it was an accusation as such. I'm sensing that he got a kick out of the idea. Which of course a sexual deviant would. Why would you tell your student to br a prostitute? What the f*** is that about!! If he likes the idea of his students being prostitutes, perhaps he should start with his wife, instead of students that come to him for help. Yes, I hope he reads that, I hope both of them do. Karma blowback Isabella, remember what you told Stan?
Anyhow, I've said before here, and also to Traveller and To Heather, that I don't know if what she says happened, as I was not there. I dont mean any offence. I don't take a view it didnt happen either. I've always said that I recoqnise James in the book, I believe she was close to him. However, and this is a salient point...
Here we have a student , Disillusioned (at that time), who has came to him out of a need, and the hope he helps her (there is a certain vulnerability there, as is for us all who trust a teacher). You went to him in trust DI, and he suggested that you sell your body for sex. That you commit act of prostitution, some of which related activites are illegal. That charachteristic that he showed you is very close to what HEather has been accusing him of. I mean, lets look at it DI. Another time and place, how far is it along, suggesting it to a student, and actually organising it? I mean, he is obviously fine with the idea of you doing it.
If I am honest, I have noticed that the more that this topic is live, and the more that comes out, there are things that are moving closer to supporting that SWartz would be like the way Heather says happened. You see, because of my background, I'm always reluctant when someone is accused of that. I've saw people wrongly accussed commit suicide in jail. I would never want anyone to be accused of that wrongly. So, I'm always inclined to want to look at what is being said, and all other evidence.
And, in that context, I've been told that there is other major stuff about James Swartz. I don't know what, and I've asked to be out in touch with the people, though I am unsure if that will happen. There is definitely more skeletons in his closet. I am wondering if this is more sexual accusations... hmmmm... I will do my best to find out. I've just got another idea actually...