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List of Warning Signs that indicate an unsafe Group/ Leader
1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9. The group/leader is always right.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
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> earthquake Wrote:
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>
> > That's a bit hypocritical. I can tell we are
> > entering the twilight zone with you people
> > again...
>
> Who is "you people"? I speak for
> myself.
> >
> >
> > Though your master took much relish in sending
> me
> > harassing emails ordered to close the Vedanta
> > social media, and to stop teaching right away,
> > without doing his due diligence. He took much
> glee
> > in it. The fact ive evidence ive reported what
> was
> > said about me to the police, and told both
> > countries her name, and Google has begun
> delisting
> > his defamatory posts in some countries, and he
> > still have them up, shows how much of an idiot
> he
> > is. He's a simple troll, who doesnt care for
> > factual & contextual truth, he just wants to
> harm
> > people. But it's an impotent approach. That
> > reminds me...
>
> My only master is Isvara. Don't
> say that James Swartz is my master, because he
> isn't. You're not supposed to lie about people on
> this forum.
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>
> > oh really? Then why does Swartz put everyone
> down,
> > keep posting satsangs how glorious he is, and
> say
> > to teachers like me, i wont be remembered?
>
> Why do you say that
> he puts everyone down? He doesn't.
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Swartz/Mystic By Default"
He was a very classy, dignified guy. But, odd as it sounds, I think the intense awareness I focused on him brought up things he was ill prepared to deal with.
I came out of my absorption for a minute and noticed that the Swami was looking at me in an unkind way, as if I had consciously done something to mess with the classroom energy, about which he was very possessive. At the same time I had the sense that he was drawn to me, perhaps momentarily envious? Whatever it was, I understood that I did not belong there any more; I was simply becoming too powerful.
I say ‘momentarily envious’ because I think seeing me like that, more a god than a human being, must have called attention to the negative side of his own situation. His karma as a famous jet-setting mahatma put such heavy demands on his mind that it often pulled him down, making him cranky and irritable, sometimes downright unpleasant.
I did not have to lift a finger and I spoke infrequently. I could fly and soar in the transcendental sky, dissolve into the emptiness and experiment all day long as I saw fit. While he squandered his capital at an alarming rate helping others, I husbanded mine, selfishly investing it in pure meditation. And finally, he had to live with the knowledge that he was nearing the end of his incarnation, whereas I was being reborn into a brand new life.
~ Page 186.
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Maybe he said
> you won't be remembered to emphasize how you're
> not as important as you think you are.
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>
> I wonder how long you and Traveler plan to
> commiserate about James Swartz, without taking any
> real action against him. Maybe if I come back
> here in 5 years you'll still be here recycling the
> same old things, calling people James Swartz who
> are not James Swartz, and calling people followers
> of their "master" James Swartz who aren't.
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> > earthquake Wrote:
> >
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> >
> > > That's a bit hypocritical. I can tell we are
> > > entering the twilight zone with you people
> > > again...
> >
> > Who is "you people"? I speak
> for
> > myself.
> > >
> > >
> > > Though your master took much relish in
> sending
> > me
> > > harassing emails ordered to close the Vedanta
> > > social media, and to stop teaching right
> away,
> > > without doing his due diligence. He took much
> > glee
> > > in it. The fact ive evidence ive reported
> what
> > was
> > > said about me to the police, and told both
> > > countries her name, and Google has begun
> > delisting
> > > his defamatory posts in some countries, and
> he
> > > still have them up, shows how much of an
> idiot
> > he
> > > is. He's a simple troll, who doesnt care for
> > > factual & contextual truth, he just wants to
> > harm
> > > people. But it's an impotent approach. That
> > > reminds me...
> >
> > My only master is Isvara. Don't
> > say that James Swartz is my master, because he
> > isn't. You're not supposed to lie about people
> on
> > this forum.
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> >
> > > oh really? Then why does Swartz put everyone
> > down,
> > > keep posting satsangs how glorious he is, and
> > say
> > > to teachers like me, i wont be remembered?
> >
> > Why do you say
> that
> > he puts everyone down? He doesn't.
>
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Swartz/Mystic By Default"
>
> He was a very classy, dignified guy. But, odd as
> it sounds, I think the intense awareness I focused
> on him brought up things he was ill
> prepared to deal with.
>
> I came out of my absorption for a minute and
> noticed that the Swami was looking at me in an
> unkind way, as if I had consciously done something
> to mess with the classroom energy, about which he
> was very possessive. At the same time I had
> the sense that he was drawn to me, perhaps
> momentarily envious? Whatever it was, I
> understood that I did not belong there any more;
> I was simply becoming too powerful.
>
> I say ‘momentarily envious’ because I think seeing
> me like that, more a god than a human being, must
> have called attention to the negative side of
> his own situation. His karma as a famous
> jet-setting mahatma put such heavy demands on his
> mind that it often pulled him down, making him
> cranky and irritable, sometimes downright
> unpleasant.
>
> I did not have to lift a finger and I spoke
> infrequently. I could fly and soar in the
> transcendental sky, dissolve into the emptiness
> and experiment all day long as I saw fit. While
> he squandered his capital at an alarming rate
> helping others, I husbanded mine, selfishly
> investing it in pure meditation. And finally,
> he had to live with the knowledge that he was
> nearing the end of his incarnation, whereas I
> was being reborn into a brand new life.
>
> ~ Page 186.
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> Maybe he said
> > you won't be remembered to emphasize how you're
> > not as important as you think you are.
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> >
> > I wonder how long you and Traveler plan to
> > commiserate about James Swartz, without taking
> any
> > real action against him. Maybe if I come back
> > here in 5 years you'll still be here recycling
> the
> > same old things, calling people James Swartz
> who
> > are not James Swartz, and calling people
> followers
> > of their "master" James Swartz who
> aren't.[/color]
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>
> How do I show that someone is not
> my master other than just saying he is not my
> master? If I accused you of having Hitler as your
> master, how would you show me that he
> isn't?
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>
>
> > He's been caught out
> > publishing lies about me. I can provide the
> > evidence. Since you bring up lies, my question
> is,
> > do you think it is acceptable that he has
> > published lies about me, a teacher in a
> > traditional Vedanta lineage?
>
> That just comes down to you vs.
> him. I have no reason to believe you anymore than
> believe James Swartz. In fact, by the things
> you've already written in this thread, I am
> inclined to believe Swartz over you.
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> >
> > Shiningworld members constantly ignore the lies
> he
> > tells. The truth matters. Show you're noble.
>
> Yes, the truth matters. I don't
> know which members of Shiningworld ignore what
> lies he may or may not have told. I hope that if
> he has lied, that they take that into
> consideration as anyone would about anyone lying.
>
> How do I show that I'm noble?
>
> Does it count that I call out lies here? Traveler
> was calling me James Swartz. I'm more noble than
> that. Does that count?
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> >
> > Let's set aside for the moment how Swartz in
> his
> > own book, 'mystic by default' speaks about
> having
> > thoughts of punching women, then seems to be
> happy
> > enough to have sex them minutes later...
>
> People have many thoughts. There's
> a difference between having a thought and acting
> on it.
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>
> >
> > As the book progresses Swartz attempts to
> slowly
> > build himself up to the level of his own Guru,
> and
> > beyond. For example, speaking about Swami
> > Chinamyananda:
> >
> >> >Quote
Swartz/Mystic By Default"
> >
> > He was a very classy, dignified guy. But, odd
> as
> > it sounds, I think the intense awareness I
> focused
> > on him brought up things he was ill
> > prepared to deal with.
> >
> > I came out of my absorption for a minute and
> > noticed that the Swami was looking at me in an
> > unkind way, as if I had consciously done
> something
> > to mess with the classroom energy, about which
> he
> > was very possessive. At the same time I
> had
> > the sense that he was drawn to me, perhaps
> > momentarily envious? Whatever it was, I
> > understood that I did not belong there any
> more;
> > I was simply becoming too powerful.
> >
> > I say ‘momentarily envious’ because I think
> seeing
> > me like that, more a god than a human being,
> must
> > have called attention to the negative side
> of
> > his own situation. His karma as a famous
> > jet-setting mahatma put such heavy demands on
> his
> > mind that it often pulled him down, making him
> > cranky and irritable, sometimes downright
> > unpleasant.
> >
> > I did not have to lift a finger and I spoke
> > infrequently. I could fly and soar in the
> > transcendental sky, dissolve into the emptiness
> > and experiment all day long as I saw fit.
> While
> > he squandered his capital at an alarming rate
> > helping others, I husbanded mine, selfishly
> > investing it in pure meditation. And finally,
> > he had to live with the knowledge that he
> was
> > nearing the end of his incarnation, whereas
> I
> > was being reborn into a brand new life.
> >
> > ~ Page 186.
> > Ill-prepared, possessive, momentarily envious,
> > negative side of his own situation, cranky,
> > irritable, downright unpleasant. Squandered his
> > capital helping others, and some innuendo
> > regarding Swami Chinmaya's life near ending and
> > Swartz' being young. I honestly am laughing out
> > loud at what is being said by a student about
> one
> > of the most important teachers for centuries As
> it
> > says in scripture, fools!
> >
> > lmao!
> >
> >
> > The free person, enlightened, won't be bothered
> > about coming to the twilight years of life.
> What
> > Swartz wrote is so inaccurate, only someone
> > pretending to be that would say such a
> schoolboy
> > error.
>
> It doesn't bother me. I think you
> should stop trying to dig for things to get mad at
> James Swartz about. Perhaps you're jealous that
> he had such a close relationship with Swami
> Chinmayananda. You seem to think that both Swami
> Chinmayananda and James should be superhuman or
> something.
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>
> >
> > "More a God than a human being", hahaha!
> > Yeeeehaaaaa. Well, if he claims it be, it must
> be
> > true. Sorry, im in stitches again.
>
> You are easily amused. Instead of
> laughing about what you find to be silly, how
> about bringing him to justice, if you really
> believe he has raped someone.
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Maybe he said
> > > you won't be remembered to emphasize how
> you're
> > > not as important as you think you are.
>
> > Let me give you a Vedanta lesson that is
> obviously
> > needed. A traditional vedanta teacher does not
> > want to be remembered, nor care less about such
> > things. Only cult-like 'masters' care about
> being
> > remembered.
>
> How ironic that you think you know
> what Vedanta lessons others need to learn.
> Anyway, I'm pretty sure James doesn't care about
> being remembered. He understands that James is
> just a jiva. Jivas come and go.
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>
>
> >
> > Oh how important do I think I am then? One of
> the
> > Swartz' favourite slogans is; 'the proof is in
> the
> > pudding'.
> >
> > 1. I do not even take donations for teaching,
> and
> > gladly live in poverty.
>
> Well, it is clear who you are, as
> your name has been noted by others, and you've
> admitted who you are here, other than the nickname
> "earthquake". It appears that you don't need to
> take donations, because you simply "borrow" money
> from others and don't pay it back. Do you deny
> those allegations? Have you paid everyone back
> that you borrowed money from?
> You say you live in "poverty", but that's a
> a relative word. You live in a first world nation
> that has social assistance, and it appears you
> have money for travel, drinking, etc. Or is it
> perhaps that you're just lazy and don't want to
> work? Perhaps you are like Arjuna, who instead of
> manning up to fight the battle he was meant to
> fight, wanted to run away to Rishikesh.
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>
> > Swartz asks for money for
> > his Spanish love nest in the hills in classes.
> (I
> > keep asking both myself and Swartz' share our
> > financial records for the last 3 years, since
> he
> > decided to make a 'thing' in regard to money
> and
> > myself).
>
> That's his business. "Asking" is
> different from borrowing and not paying
> back.
> >
> > 2. I keep a very small number of students.
>
> That might because there aren't too
> many people that want to be your student. From
> past messages in this thread, it is apparent that
> you were trying to get as many members in your
> group as possible, encouraging people to "like"
> your posts, etc. You wanted to attract new
> members.
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>
> > Swartz
> > has created a cult-like 'inner circle' around
> his
> > persona, that is self-evident in class and
> openly
> > perpetuated by this bulls*** thing his own
> > political views are some sign of Vedanta.
>
> I can see how a lot of people would
> like him. His books and satsangs are excellent.
> People are allowed to have political views that
> you don't hold. Why get triggered by it?
> >
> > Go on my profile on facebook, check the second
> > post. That publication in a magazine of my own
> > political views, has not impacted my role as a
> > teacher in one of the worlds most respected
> > lineages. Tis my personal business, not to be
> > controlled by others. Only cult-like 'masters'
> try
> > to control and coerce the democratic views of
> free
> > citizens through psuedo-spiritual teachings.
>
> I've read and listened to a lot of
> what James Swartz has said, but I've never seen
> any controlling and coercing political views. In
> fact, that statement seems ridiculous to
> me.
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> >
> > Perhaps it is just me, but an innocent person
> > would do their very best to bring any
> allegations
> > to the authorities themselves, and also
> > legally challenge whatever way possible. Like I
> > have. Like he hasn't. There is no
> > point in debating someone who has brought
> > allegations (about themselves) to the police of
> > their own accord, while you defend someone who
> > hasnt. Twilight zone time again.
>
> Well, if you're innocent of
> something, there isn't really a reason to go out
> of your way to prove so. Maybe it's important to
> you to clear your name of some of the allegations
> against you because you already had a bad name.
>
> If you keep on bringing up allegations against
> someone, that might be a sign that you are guilty
> of something. There are several allegations out
> there against you. For example, you have sent
> nude photos of yourself to members of your Vedanta
> Facebook group. You have "borrowed" money from
> some of those members and not paid them back. You
> have been renounced by a swami of the lineage that
> you associate with. Another swami that you
> claimed to be your guru stated that he didn't know
> you.
>
> Maybe because of all of these allegations against
> yourself, you feel it necessary to project onto
> James Swartz.
>
>
>
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> >
> > How do I show that someone is
> not
> > my master other than just saying he is not my
> > master? If I accused you of having Hitler as
> your
> > master, how would you show me that he
> > isn't?
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> >
> >
> > > He's been caught out
> > > publishing lies about me. I can provide the
> > > evidence. Since you bring up lies, my
> question
> > is,
> > > do you think it is acceptable that he has
> > > published lies about me, a teacher in a
> > > traditional Vedanta lineage?
> >
> > That just comes down to you vs.
> > him. I have no reason to believe you anymore
> than
> > believe James Swartz. In fact, by the things
> > you've already written in this thread, I am
> > inclined to believe Swartz over you.
>
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> > >
> > > Shiningworld members constantly ignore the
> lies
> > he
> > > tells. The truth matters. Show you're noble.
> >
> > Yes, the truth matters. I don't
> > know which members of Shiningworld ignore what
> > lies he may or may not have told. I hope that
> if
> > he has lied, that they take that into
> > consideration as anyone would about anyone
> lying.
> >
> > How do I show that I'm noble?
> >
> > Does it count that I call out lies here?
> Traveler
> > was calling me James Swartz. I'm more noble
> than
> > that. Does that count?
>
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> > >
> > > Let's set aside for the moment how Swartz in
> > his
> > > own book, 'mystic by default' speaks about
> > having
> > > thoughts of punching women, then seems to be
> > happy
> > > enough to have sex them minutes later...
> >
> > People have many thoughts.
> There's
> > a difference between having a thought and
> acting
> > on it.
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> >
> > >
> > > As the book progresses Swartz attempts to
> > slowly
> > > build himself up to the level of his own
> Guru,
> > and
> > > beyond. For example, speaking about Swami
> > > Chinamyananda:
> > >
> > >> > >Quote
Swartz/Mystic By Default"
> > >
> > > He was a very classy, dignified guy. But, odd
> > as
> > > it sounds, I think the intense awareness I
> > focused
> > > on him brought up things he was ill
> > > prepared to deal with.
> > >
> > > I came out of my absorption for a minute and
> > > noticed that the Swami was looking at me in
> an
> > > unkind way, as if I had consciously done
> > something
> > > to mess with the classroom energy, about
> which
> > he
> > > was very possessive. At the same time
> I
> > had
> > > the sense that he was drawn to me, perhaps
> > > momentarily envious? Whatever it was,
> I
> > > understood that I did not belong there any
> > more;
> > > I was simply becoming too powerful.
> > >
> > > I say ‘momentarily envious’ because I think
> > seeing
> > > me like that, more a god than a human being,
> > must
> > > have called attention to the negative side
> > of
> > > his own situation. His karma as a famous
> > > jet-setting mahatma put such heavy demands on
> > his
> > > mind that it often pulled him down, making
> him
> > > cranky and irritable, sometimes downright
> > > unpleasant.
> > >
> > > I did not have to lift a finger and I spoke
> > > infrequently. I could fly and soar in the
> > > transcendental sky, dissolve into the
> emptiness
> > > and experiment all day long as I saw fit.
> > While
> > > he squandered his capital at an alarming rate
> > > helping others, I husbanded mine,
> selfishly
> > > investing it in pure meditation. And finally,
> > > he had to live with the knowledge that he
> > was
> > > nearing the end of his incarnation,
> whereas
> > I
> > > was being reborn into a brand new life.
> > >
> > > ~ Page 186.
> > > Ill-prepared, possessive, momentarily
> envious,
> > > negative side of his own situation, cranky,
> > > irritable, downright unpleasant. Squandered
> his
> > > capital helping others, and some innuendo
> > > regarding Swami Chinmaya's life near ending
> and
> > > Swartz' being young. I honestly am laughing
> out
> > > loud at what is being said by a student about
> > one
> > > of the most important teachers for centuries
> As
> > it
> > > says in scripture, fools!
> > >
> > > lmao!
> > >
> > >
> > > The free person, enlightened, won't be
> bothered
> > > about coming to the twilight years of life.
> > What
> > > Swartz wrote is so inaccurate, only someone
> > > pretending to be that would say such a
> > schoolboy
> > > error.
> >
> > It doesn't bother me. I think
> you
> > should stop trying to dig for things to get mad
> at
> > James Swartz about. Perhaps you're jealous
> that
> > he had such a close relationship with Swami
> > Chinmayananda. You seem to think that both
> Swami
> > Chinmayananda and James should be superhuman or
> > something.
>
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> >
> > >
> > > "More a God than a human being", hahaha!
> > > Yeeeehaaaaa. Well, if he claims it be, it
> must
> > be
> > > true. Sorry, im in stitches again.
> >
> > You are easily amused. Instead
> of
> > laughing about what you find to be silly, how
> > about bringing him to justice, if you really
> > believe he has raped someone.
>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Maybe he said
> > > > you won't be remembered to emphasize how
> > you're
> > > > not as important as you think you are.
> >
> > > Let me give you a Vedanta lesson that is
> > obviously
> > > needed. A traditional vedanta teacher does
> not
> > > want to be remembered, nor care less about
> such
> > > things. Only cult-like 'masters' care about
> > being
> > > remembered.
> >
> > How ironic that you think you
> know
> > what Vedanta lessons others need to learn.
> > Anyway, I'm pretty sure James doesn't care
> about
> > being remembered. He understands that James is
> > just a jiva. Jivas come and go.
>
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> >
> >
> > >
> > > Oh how important do I think I am then? One of
> > the
> > > Swartz' favourite slogans is; 'the proof is
> in
> > the
> > > pudding'.
> > >
> > > 1. I do not even take donations for teaching,
> > and
> > > gladly live in poverty.
> >
> > Well, it is clear who you are,
> as
> > your name has been noted by others, and you've
> > admitted who you are here, other than the
> nickname
> > "earthquake". It appears that you don't need
> to
> > take donations, because you simply "borrow"
> money
> > from others and don't pay it back. Do you deny
> > those allegations? Have you paid everyone back
> > that you borrowed money from?
> > You say you live in "poverty", but that's a
> > a relative word. You live in a first world
> nation
> > that has social assistance, and it appears you
> > have money for travel, drinking, etc. Or is it
> > perhaps that you're just lazy and don't want to
> > work? Perhaps you are like Arjuna, who instead
> of
> > manning up to fight the battle he was meant to
> > fight, wanted to run away to Rishikesh.
>
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> >
> > > Swartz asks for money for
> > > his Spanish love nest in the hills in
> classes.
> > (I
> > > keep asking both myself and Swartz' share our
> > > financial records for the last 3 years, since
> > he
> > > decided to make a 'thing' in regard to money
> > and
> > > myself).
> >
> > That's his business. "Asking"
> is
> > different from borrowing and not paying
> > back.
> > >
> > > 2. I keep a very small number of students.
> >
> > That might because there aren't
> too
> > many people that want to be your student. From
> > past messages in this thread, it is apparent
> that
> > you were trying to get as many members in your
> > group as possible, encouraging people to "like"
> > your posts, etc. You wanted to attract new
> > members.
>
>
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> >
> > > Swartz
> > > has created a cult-like 'inner circle' around
> > his
> > > persona, that is self-evident in class and
> > openly
> > > perpetuated by this bulls*** thing his own
> > > political views are some sign of Vedanta.
> >
> > I can see how a lot of people
> would
> > like him. His books and satsangs are
> excellent.
> > People are allowed to have political views that
> > you don't hold. Why get triggered by
> it?
> > >
> > > Go on my profile on facebook, check the
> second
> > > post. That publication in a magazine of my
> own
> > > political views, has not impacted my role as
> a
> > > teacher in one of the worlds most respected
> > > lineages. Tis my personal business, not to be
> > > controlled by others. Only cult-like
> 'masters'
> > try
> > > to control and coerce the democratic views of
> > free
> > > citizens through psuedo-spiritual teachings.
> >
> > I've read and listened to a lot
> of
> > what James Swartz has said, but I've never seen
> > any controlling and coercing political views.
> In
> > fact, that statement seems ridiculous to
> > me.
>
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> > >
> > > Perhaps it is just me, but an innocent person
> > > would do their very best to bring any
> > allegations
> > > to the authorities themselves, and
> also
> > > legally challenge whatever way possible. Like
> I
> > > have. Like he hasn't. There is
> no
> > > point in debating someone who has brought
> > > allegations (about themselves) to the police
> of
> > > their own accord, while you defend someone
> who
> > > hasnt. Twilight zone time again.
> >
> > Well, if you're innocent of
> > something, there isn't really a reason to go
> out
> > of your way to prove so. Maybe it's important
> to
> > you to clear your name of some of the
> allegations
> > against you because you already had a bad name.
> >
> > If you keep on bringing up allegations against
> > someone, that might be a sign that you are
> guilty
> > of something. There are several allegations
> out
> > there against you. For example, you have sent
> > nude photos of yourself to members of your
> Vedanta
> > Facebook group. You have "borrowed" money from
> > some of those members and not paid them back.
> You
> > have been renounced by a swami of the lineage
> that
> > you associate with. Another swami that you
> > claimed to be your guru stated that he didn't
> know
> > you.
> >
> > Maybe because of all of these allegations
> against
> > yourself, you feel it necessary to project onto
> > James Swartz.
> >
>
> >
> >
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> > >
> > > How do I show that someone is
> > not
> > > my master other than just saying he is not my
> > > master? If I accused you of having Hitler as
> > your
> > > master, how would you show me that he
> > > isn't?
> > Your analogy doesn't make sense. Hitler is
> dead,
> > and I haven't been on here even remotely
> speaking
> > about him, never mind supporting him, nor
> > by-passing things he did.
> >
> > Stay focused.
>
> It seems like you need to stay
> focused. I never said Hitler was alive, never
> said that you spoke about him, and never said that
> you supported him. You asked me to show that
> James Swartz is not my master. How do I prove
> something not to be the case?
>
> Don't distract from what I've brought up here. I
> have been very specific and simple. Let's keep it
> that way.
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> > >
> > >
> > > > He's been caught out
> > > > publishing lies about me. I can provide the
> > > > evidence. Since you bring up lies, my
> > question
> > > is,
> > > > do you think it is acceptable that he has
> > > > published lies about me, a teacher in a
> > > > traditional Vedanta lineage?
> > >
> > > That just comes down to you
> vs.
> > > him. I have no reason to believe you anymore
> > than
> > > believe James Swartz. In fact, by the things
> > > you've already written in this thread, I am
> > > inclined to believe Swartz over you.
> >
> > That is why I have said I can provide evidence
> > that he has posted lies about me. Generally one
> > lie, particularly a major lie that can be
> proven
> > is enough to debunk. I have shared excerpts of
> > private emails that show he has lied about me
> > multiple times on Shiningworld. I will provide
> you
> > with the actual emails that show he had
> directly,
> > actually & contextually lied about me. You
> dont'
> > seem to understand what certain words in
> sentences
> > mean.
>
> I don't need to hear you go on and
> on again as I don't trust you.
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> > > >
> > > > Shiningworld members constantly ignore the
> > lies
> > > he
> > > > tells. The truth matters. Show you're
> noble.
> > >
> > > Yes, the truth matters. I
> don't
> > > know which members of Shiningworld ignore
> what
> > > lies he may or may not have told. I hope that
> > if
> > > he has lied, that they take that into
> > > consideration as anyone would about anyone
> > lying.
> > >
> > > How do I show that I'm noble?
> > >
> > > Does it count that I call out lies here?
> > Traveler
> > > was calling me James Swartz. I'm more noble
> > than
> > > that. Does that count?
> >
> > That is not contextual discussion between you
> and
> > I. Stop side-manoeuvring away from the point I
> > have made. I show evidence Swartz has
> > specifically, literally, lied about me on
> salient
> > things. And I want to see your response.
>
> Maybe he has lied about you. Maybe
> he hasn't. I don't know if you are consciously or
> unconsciously trying to distract away from my
> fairly simple and specific points or not. This
> isn't all about you and your sob story.
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> > > >
> > > > Let's set aside for the moment how Swartz
> in
> > > his
> > > > own book, 'mystic by default' speaks about
> > > having
> > > > thoughts of punching women, then seems to
> be
> > > happy
> > > > enough to have sex them minutes later...
> > >
> > > People have many thoughts.
> > There's
> > > a difference between having a thought and
> > acting
> > > on it.
> > Hmm, in all my years, I cant recall having
> > thoughts of punching a woman in the face, and
> > instead, being content with having sex with
> her.
> > You can disregard his own words if you want,
> but
> > its' not normal. I expected you to by-pass it.
>
> That's good, but you do have a
> violent past, and there is no real indication that
> it is just your past. James has had sex in the
> past. Sometimes humans do that.
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> > >
> > > >
> > > > As the book progresses Swartz attempts to
> > > slowly
> > > > build himself up to the level of his own
> > Guru,
> > > and
> > > > beyond. For example, speaking about Swami
> > > > Chinamyananda:
> > > >
> > > >> > > >Quote
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> > > >
> > > > He was a very classy, dignified guy. But,
> odd
> > > as
> > > > it sounds, I think the intense awareness I
> > > focused
> > > > on him brought up things he was ill
> > > > prepared to deal with.
> > > >
> > > > I came out of my absorption for a minute
> and
> > > > noticed that the Swami was looking at me in
> > an
> > > > unkind way, as if I had consciously done
> > > something
> > > > to mess with the classroom energy, about
> > which
> > > he
> > > > was very possessive. At the same
> time
> > I
> > > had
> > > > the sense that he was drawn to me, perhaps
> > > > momentarily envious? Whatever it
> was,
> > I
> > > > understood that I did not belong there any
> > > more;
> > > > I was simply becoming too powerful.
> > > >
> > > > I say ‘momentarily envious’ because I think
> > > seeing
> > > > me like that, more a god than a human
> being,
> > > must
> > > > have called attention to the negative
> side
> > > of
> > > > his own situation. His karma as a
> famous
> > > > jet-setting mahatma put such heavy demands
> on
> > > his
> > > > mind that it often pulled him down, making
> > him
> > > > cranky and irritable, sometimes
> downright
> > > > unpleasant.
> > > >
> > > > I did not have to lift a finger and I spoke
> > > > infrequently. I could fly and soar in the
> > > > transcendental sky, dissolve into the
> > emptiness
> > > > and experiment all day long as I saw fit.
> > > While
> > > > he squandered his capital at an alarming
> rate
> > > > helping others, I husbanded mine,
> > selfishly
> > > > investing it in pure meditation. And
> finally,
> > > > he had to live with the knowledge that
> he
> > > was
> > > > nearing the end of his incarnation,
> > whereas
> > > I
> > > > was being reborn into a brand new life.
> > > >
> > > > ~ Page 186.
> > > > Ill-prepared, possessive, momentarily
> > envious,
> > > > negative side of his own situation, cranky,
> > > > irritable, downright unpleasant. Squandered
> > his
> > > > capital helping others, and some innuendo
> > > > regarding Swami Chinmaya's life near ending
> > and
> > > > Swartz' being young. I honestly am laughing
> > out
> > > > loud at what is being said by a student
> about
> > > one
> > > > of the most important teachers for
> centuries
> > As
> > > it
> > > > says in scripture, fools!
> > > >
> > > > lmao!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The free person, enlightened, won't be
> > bothered
> > > > about coming to the twilight years of life.
> > > What
> > > > Swartz wrote is so inaccurate, only someone
> > > > pretending to be that would say such a
> > > schoolboy
> > > > error.
> > >
> > > It doesn't bother me. I think
> > you
> > > should stop trying to dig for things to get
> mad
> > at
> > > James Swartz about. Perhaps you're jealous
> > that
> > > he had such a close relationship with Swami
> > > Chinmayananda. You seem to think that both
> > Swami
> > > Chinmayananda and James should be superhuman
> or
> > > something.
> >
> > You asked for examples of Swartz putting people
> > down. I start with his own Guru. You by-pass
> that,
> > makes it stupid even asking me who then, doesnt
> > it?
>
> James has shown nothing but deep
> respect for Swami Chinmayananda. Big deal if he
> was expressing some thoughts that he had flash
> through his mind.
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> >
> > Jealous? How childish of you. Swami Chinmaya
> was
> > dead before I came to Vedanta. And his
> > relationship with Swartz wasn't that special.
> Why
> > do you think the Chinamya Mission isn't
> interested
> > in endorsing Shiningworld....
>
> You're distracting again. People
> can be jealous of other people's experiences
> regardless of the time frame. For example, I
> could be jealous of someone going to a Shakespeare
> play in the 1600s.
>
> Why would the Chinmaya Mission endorse
> Shiningworld? Whoever said it did? I didn't make
> that claim. I've never heard anyone make that
> claim. I don't think James has ever said that the
> Chinmaya Mission has endorsed Shiningworld.
> You're getting off topic again. You can try to
> bury my original simple points all you want, but
> it shows.
>
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> > >
> > > >
> > > > "More a God than a human being", hahaha!
> > > > Yeeeehaaaaa. Well, if he claims it be, it
> > must
> > > be
> > > > true. Sorry, im in stitches again.
> > >
> > > You are easily amused. Instead
> > of
> > > laughing about what you find to be silly, how
> > > about bringing him to justice, if you really
> > > believe he has raped someone.
> >
> >
> > Again, that's not my business. Stop trying to
> > deflect. He's factual & literally showing a god
> > complex here. I expected you to also by-pass
> this.
>
> So says the person who thinks that
> I need to learn certain Vedanta lessons.
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> owe 4 out of 5 people the money.
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> What about the allegations that you pressured your
> group members into paying you because as a Vedanta
> teacher you were owed the money? Apparently you
> had told them that you didn't want any donations,
> but then you turned on them and tried to
> guilt-trip them into paying you money for your
> teaching, even though you sought out them as
> students, rather than them seeking you.
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> > >
> > > > Swartz asks for money for
> > > > his Spanish love nest in the hills in
> > classes.
> > > (I
> > > > keep asking both myself and Swartz' share
> our
> > > > financial records for the last 3 years,
> since
> > > he
> > > > decided to make a 'thing' in regard to
> money
> > > and
> > > > myself).
> > >
> > > That's his business. "Asking"
> > is
> > > different from borrowing and not paying
> > > back.
> > > >
> > > > 2. I keep a very small number of students.
> > >
> > > That might because there
> aren't
> > too
> > > many people that want to be your student.
> From
> > > past messages in this thread, it is apparent
> > that
> > > you were trying to get as many members in
> your
> > > group as possible, encouraging people to
> "like"
> > > your posts, etc. You wanted to attract new
> > > members.
> >
> >
> > Aww bless you, you haven't got a clue.
> Attracting
> > new members, after discussion with my lineage.
> I
> > removed over 550 members only a few months ago.
> > Your information is wrong. Hardly a sign of
> > wanting new members.
>
> Right. So, I'm talking about
> before that. Those 550+ members didn't just come
> out of nowhere. People say that you were
> purposely trying to get new members. I think
> you've even written here that you wanted to boost
> numbers in your group, so didn't even care who
> they were. Didn't you say that the woman that you
> were being sexually inappropriate with and
> "borrowed" money from wasn't a real student of
> yours, that she was just in the group to get the
> numbers higher?
>
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> > >
> > > > Swartz
> > > > has created a cult-like 'inner circle'
> around
> > > his
> > > > persona, that is self-evident in class and
> > > openly
> > > > perpetuated by this bulls*** thing his own
> > > > political views are some sign of Vedanta.
> > >
> > > I can see how a lot of people
> > would
> > > like him. His books and satsangs are
> > excellent.
> > > People are allowed to have political views
> that
> > > you don't hold. Why get triggered by
> > it?
> > > >
> > > > Go on my profile on facebook, check the
> > second
> > > > post. That publication in a magazine of my
> > own
> > > > political views, has not impacted my role
> as
> > a
> > > > teacher in one of the worlds most respected
> > > > lineages. Tis my personal business, not to
> be
> > > > controlled by others. Only cult-like
> > 'masters'
> > > try
> > > > to control and coerce the democratic views
> of
> > > free
> > > > citizens through psuedo-spiritual
> teachings.
> > >
> > > I've read and listened to a
> lot
> > of
> > > what James Swartz has said, but I've never
> seen
> > > any controlling and coercing political views.
> > In
> > > fact, that statement seems ridiculous to
> > > me.
> >
> >
> > Really, hahaha. They've just fired a teacher
> > recently over this. He has the same views
> > politically as me. And they've posted how can
> you
> > teach or be enlightened and have those views.
> My
> > lineage aint got issues. Only the almighty
> Swartz
> > do. I expected you to by-pass this also.
>
> Perhaps his particular views were
> not in line with Vedanta. Anyway, James obviously
> has the right to let go teachers he doesn't think
> are appropriate. Who are you to say who should
> stay in Shiningworld and who shouldn't?
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> > > >
> > > > Perhaps it is just me, but an innocent
> person
> > > > would do their very best to bring any
> > > allegations
> > > > to the authorities themselves, and
> > also
> > > > legally challenge whatever way possible.
> Like
> > I
> > > > have. Like he hasn't. There
> is
> > no
> > > > point in debating someone who has brought
> > > > allegations (about themselves) to the
> police
> > of
> > > > their own accord, while you defend someone
> > who
> > > > hasnt. Twilight zone time again.
> > >
> > > Well, if you're innocent of
> > > something, there isn't really a reason to go
> > out
> > > of your way to prove so. Maybe it's
> important
> > to
> > > you to clear your name of some of the
> > allegations
> > > against you because you already had a bad
> name.
> > >
> > > If you keep on bringing up allegations
> against
> > > someone, that might be a sign that you are
> > guilty
> > > of something. There are several allegations
> > out
> > > there against you. For example, you have
> sent
> > > nude photos of yourself to members of your
> > Vedanta
> > > Facebook group. You have "borrowed" money
> from
> > > some of those members and not paid them back.
> > You
> > > have been renounced by a swami of the lineage
> > that
> > > you associate with. Another swami that you
> > > claimed to be your guru stated that he didn't
> > know
> > > you.
> > >
> > > Maybe because of all of these allegations
> > against
> > > yourself, you feel it necessary to project
> onto
> > > James Swartz.
> > >
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I've let the police know everything that was
> said
> > about me, I had to because of what I was
> > reporting. Since no action has been took
> against
> > me anywhere after my reporting, there's a big
> > implication there.
> >
> > Regarding Swami. Private message me who said
> this
> > and in what context. I've already explained the
> > head Ashram in India has gave me permission to
> > teach months ago. I've also already explained
> that
> > SWami are on public video endorsing their
> students
> > to come to my classes. That is that.
> >
> > Im in a rush. Let's carry this on in a bit. But
> > please, directly interact with me. if you
> simply
> > make claims and don't interact with my
> responses
> > and yet make more claims, that is trolling.
>
> Swami Turiya Chaitanya renounced
> you on your Facebook group. He was doing a few
> lessons for members of your group, then left.
>
> You're not going to talk your way out of these
> issues.
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> Keep it simple. Stop trying to distract. I only
> had 3 points with you:
>
> 1. You refered to me as "you people", as if I am
> part of some group, which I am not.
>
> 2. You said that James Swartz is my master, and
> he's not.
>
> 3. You said that James puts everyone down. He
> elevates many people. He has shown incredible
> respect for, and has turned many people on to,
> Swami Chinmayananda, Swami Dayananda, and others.
>
>
> So don't go on and on about how you've talked to
> the police. I have no interest in that. Don't go
> on and on about how James has said something bad
> about you. So have others, and you've said plenty
> of bad things about James.
>
> Enough already. If James has hurt you so badly,
> then sue him.
>