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Blackhat
For new readers,

Anyone contemplating joing the Jesus Christians is encouraged to go over all the pages on this forum, look at the information here:

[culteducation.com]

and do their own research into this cult before deciding to give all their worldly possessions to David McKay without ever getting their money back.

They should also be aware of the strong possibilty of sustatining spiritual, physical, emotional and/or social injury as a result of joining this cult, even to the point of organ sacrifice for ritual purposes.

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Anyone considering joining the Jesus Christians should also bear in mind one of the universal truths that applies to all cults.

Namely, "give up everything and follow God" actually means "sell everything you have and give the money to the cult leadership".

Watch out for your wallets, people!

A good disclaimer for any potential recruit!

And this is nice from Zeuszor's research:

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A LETTER TO DAVID
The most positive aspect of David's past and present life is his 86 year-old mother, Alice. She's a most kind woman, who is deeply religious. Her faith in God sees her through the grief of having raised a son like David, a man, who causes as much devastation to other families as he has caused to hers. She loves her son, though is ashamed of him, but does not support his self-seeking mission. She hardly ever hears from him and that's hard for any mother, especially in her reclining years.

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This kind of takes it back to basics...

No, Brian, you were NOT trying to generate family unity. The whole purpose of the email is to show me that you have access to my mother, and if you can't hurt me, you can hurt her.

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ASININE JC-RELATED QUOTE OF THE DAY:


She is almost 90 years old, and I take strong exception to Brian interfering in this way. Nevertheless, it is further proof of the fact that Brian has no limits to how low he will stoop to spread division and hatred.

Interfering with your relationship with your mother, huh? A lot of people take strong exception to your interfering in their lives, with their children's lives, with their families, for all these years too, David. You really are blind, aren't you??

Nobody wants to hurt your mother David. She is a sweetheart and knows what a creep you are too. She's on our side. Ha!



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Another thing David: how come you get to see your mother, and why will you not allow Joseph, Ash, and the rest to see their mothers at Christmas? Send them home, David!

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Apostate, what is wrong with delving into Dave's background? I, for one, thought it interesting as well as emotionally painful thinking about her. She is not being exploited by us. I certainly would not stand for it. Zeuszor is not selling the story to the tabloids. This is our forum and we ought to love Dave's mother, as she seems to be one of us.

You are of course free to do as you wish. Personally I would not go down that road as to my way of thinking it is crossing a boundary, much like Dave crosses boundaries by injecting himself into the family lives of others. Zeuszor may not be selling it to tabloids, but he is making a private conversation public knowledge; and it will be spread through many cult awareness forums, and the inevitable chinese whispers will begin to occur. It will eventually end up in some newspaper some where. I am all for loving Dave's mum, hence my concern. I am all for loving Dave as well, and challenging his persecution complex... hence my concern.

Anyway, I have expressed my opinion.

Anyway, I have expressed my opinion.

And you are entitled to it. Just like elbows, everybody has one. We are not the ones in a cult and don't have to agree on everything.



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David is super-pissed now.


Brian takes the high moral ground with a patronising plea for me to phone my mother, who has supposedly not heard much of anything from me since I married "that girl" 42 years ago. Is it possible, Brian, that you are dealing with a woman whose mind is starting to wear out after all these years, and who can't remember all of the visits that I have made in company with "that girl" over that period of time?

I have two younger brothers who live near my mother. But of the other four siblings, I live the farthest away from her and yet have probably made ten times more visits to see her than any of them. In fact, I'll be dropping in on her next week.

Brian, each time I get the feeling that you could not sink lower, you surprise me with something even more despicable.

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He's even insinuating that his mother is going senile, and that she does not remember all if the times he's visited her over the years. And what does your son Kevin have to do with it? Why drag him into this? More emotional extortion. Your mother told me that you are "led by The Enemy" and that she prays for you every day. You try to discredit me, your son, your mother, everybody here, but one thing you'll never ever do is take a look at yourself and all of the people that you have hurt, and I despise you, you demon. I spit in your eye. You can quote me on that.



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Well, well well. My my my!

Passions certainly run high when family members get quoted and dragged into things, don't they David?

The incensed outcry from David McKay regarding someone contacting his mother might, when he calms down and does some reflection on it, give him some insight into why other families have been passionate about his intrusion into their families and breaking them up.

I neither support or condemn what Zeuszor has done, but I do believe he is some kind of agent for change in David McKay. As I keep saying, the Lord works in mysterious ways.....

Funny how things get out of perspective when it's your own, eh David?

Sadly, I think that if the boot were on the other foot, David would be justifying with all kinds of dispassionate texts about "denying your mother" etc, but not now! Not when it's HIS mother!

"It also says that Kyri had not contacted his mother for at least ten days since that time, and it quotes Berni as saying this is 'unusual'. Read between the lines: Kyri didn't WANT to call such a manipulative mother. "

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David continues to assume that any mother who would be worried about her son not contacting her is a manipulative mother. He has continued this theme through many cases. The grandmother on the JK show was daubed with a similar whitewash - she lost her cheap labour. It's all about the manipulative, exploiting mothers! And David doesn't hold back in these cases, the mother is evil because she is concerned about her son's involvement with the JC's.

And yet when we hear about his own mother expressing her concern about lack of contact from her son, and how he has been leading his life and exploiting others - WOW!!!

Both guns blazing!

Now, am I being cynical about why David is suddenly visiting his mother? Could it be....no, surely not....could it be he wants to point out to her the importance of keeping silent? No! Surely not!

"I met another missionary here in Kenya this week, and he was wanting to know something about ourselves. He asked us to describe a Christian group that might be similar to us, and I mentioned Youth With a Mission (Y-WAM). He said, "Oh, did you know that a crazed ex-member just shot and killed a number of Y-WAM staff in two different cities this week?"

I was so struck by the similarities between that and the death threats that we have received as a result of the Jeremy Kyle Show that I just started blurting out something about the Brian Birmingham types that we have encountered lately. Only afterwards did it get through to me that he probably thought we were weird to have even mentioned such a thing.

Anyway, the point of the story is that I realised for the first time just how much I make false assumptions on the basis of CO-INCIDENCES... assuming that a co-incidence is a tip from God to act on it in some way. I am going to try to be a lot more cautious about acting just because I spot a coincidence in future!

Oh yeah, the other coincidence was that we had been talking about drilling a bore well, and this missionary specialised in drilling bore wells. So I just kind of assumed some deep spiritual unity from that which wasn't really there."

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FACT: It was an ex-member.

FACT: Co-incidences happen every day by order of maths. That simple. To assume divine ordinance from co-incidences is an indication of religious delusion.


Hope your day gets better, David.

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"I met another missionary here in Kenya this week, and he was wanting to know something about ourselves. He asked us to describe a Christian group that might be similar to us, and I mentioned Youth With a Mission (Y-WAM). He said, "Oh, did you know that a crazed ex-member just shot and killed a number of Y-WAM staff in two different cities this week?"

I was so struck by the similarities between that and the death threats that we have received as a result of the Jeremy Kyle Show that I just started blurting out something about the Brian Birmingham types that we have encountered lately. Only afterwards did it get through to me that he probably thought we were weird to have even mentioned such a thing.

Anyway, the point of the story is that I realised for the first time just how much I make false assumptions on the basis of CO-INCIDENCES... assuming that a co-incidence is a tip from God to act on it in some way. I am going to try to be a lot more cautious about acting just because I spot a coincidence in future!

Oh yeah, the other coincidence was that we had been talking about drilling a bore well, and this missionary specialised in drilling bore wells. So I just kind of assumed some deep spiritual unity from that which wasn't really there."

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FACT: It was an ex-member.

FACT: Co-incidences happen every day by order of maths. That simple. To assume divine ordinance from co-incidences is an indication of religious delusion.


Hope your day gets better, David.

Notice how nobody is talking about, or alluding to violence, death, etc. except for DM and his drones. From Ross:

There is a serious move on to make cyber bullying illegal. People are being arrested in Australia and overseas for making threatening remarks over the internet, thinking they can say whatever they like about others and get away with it. People post on the internet making their threats to shoot people at high schools and universities or other acts of violence are now being taken more seriously by authorities.
People like Brian Birmingham can be arrested and charged for these kinds of statements. Because people making threats have now showed that they sometimes DO go on to carry them out. But merely threatening violence is also a crime.
One case in the states has a school girl committing suicide over cyber bullying. But the bullies were not charged because of a legal loophole.

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One does not have to be violent in order to be seen as a threat.

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Threats? From who? I have made it clear in the past that I do not advocate violence as a means of stopping DM. I simply think that he ought to be locked away somwhere.



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