Yes, it appears that Juli Kamin who as you say above is founder and chairman of Cherish our Children , where these execs Ellyn Jones and Karl Lehenbauer serve on the board (and they own the pro-Landmark site) is indeed somehow related to Mark Kamin , former spokesman for Landmark Education , and currently founder of " Mark Kamin and Associates ", as discussed in the thread More i
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QuoteWhile poking around I found this site: which sounds like an expose, but it's really a weird LE support site. The domain name is registered by Ellyn Jones and Karl Lehenbauer, execs at Supperconnect in Houston, a tech company that also hosts the site. Ellyn and Karl also serve on the board of Cherish our Children, whose "Founder and Chairman" is Juli Kamin – Presi
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QuoteLaura's writing comes across as somewhat self-centered and narcissistic. Maybe she is a good fit for the Landmark philosophy and mindset. But she just doesn't "get it." That is, Landmark hurts people. Instead, Laura just wants to have "fun." Indeed, even this new piece by Laura Marble reads more like an advertisement than anything else. Perhap
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QuoteFrom time to time, during or shortly after participating in the Program, a very small number of people who have no personal or family history of mental illness or drug abuse have reported experiencing brief, temporary episodes of emotional upset ranging from heightened activity, irregular or diminished sleep, to mild psychotic-like behavior. An even smaller number of people have reported mor
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QuoteTo those readers who read last week's column and inferred that I have been captured by a cult: I can assure you I'm fine. I researched the Landmark Forum thoroughly before attending and decided to check it out anyway. I had fun, and I remain in full possession of my skeptical mind. To those of you who oppose the seminar and think I have piqued others' interest by writing about
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And here is the video clip of it: So Funny.
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QuoteWell.. since I started this thread: I was unsure of the tone of Laura's article. I was AMAZED that the publisher would let this article go through as a real "experience" piece, since it was scattered and reeked of the brainwashing/advertising for the program. So I posted this thread to get others' opinions on if it was "real" or not. Laura: I'm not ques
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QuoteMy employer tried to push it on me, and I was the first of the management team to outright say NO. Needless to say, I don't work at that company anymore--they made it so uncomfortable that I left. Your wife's firm is creating a Landmark-based office, and either you're in or you're out. If your wife stays a "believer", your marriage is in serious trouble--lik
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QuoteFornits is sort of the "rickross forum" (not as expertly moderated, however) of the troubled teen industry. There is some pretty horrifying stuff here from kids who have been escorted to boot camps and long-term residential programs. Aspen Education Group, the one Dr. Phil endorses, and to which he sent Kimberlee Ramsey, has two threads in the forum linked here. The State of Utah h
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It might be a good idea for you to attempt to talk to some of your fellow co-workers and explain to them your opinions about the organization before they go to the controverisal "The Forum" course. You could mention to them that the company has been investigated in the United States and France by their Federal Department of Labor for unpaid labor practices. There is a great video he
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QuoteThe use of the word "transform" is common in the personal development field and does not necessarily indicate a manipulative organization. The concept of "distinguishing" is also not owned by Landmark and is used by a lot of personal coaches, many of whom do have solid credentials in traditional psychotherapy. This seminar, to me, seems harmless. It might be fruit
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QuoteI've put the videos -- about missusing the DMCA provisions -- on YouTube and Google Video. And I created a playlist on dabble (http://dabble.com/) on "DMCA Issues" that includes all these videos: The interview of Jason Schultz of the EFF on the Landmark Education case, "Jason Schultz at EFF on DMCA Take Down Notices - Part IV", is on YouTube at: and
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According to Looks like this Brian Klemmer fellow had been involved with PSI World Seminars and then had founded something called "Personal Mastery". PSI World Seminars was founded by Thomas Wilhite, who had belonged to Mind Dynamics. Various controversial lawsuits involving deaths and mental breakdowns shut down Mind Dynamics: And Mind Dynamics instructor Werner Erhard l
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QuoteDear all: As a regular reader of Ms. Marble's work, I can attest that the big deal you all are making about this column is unwarranted. If any of you read this writer on a regular baiss - and it is obvious from your posts that you do not - you would understand the point of her columns. She writes personal essays (i.e. the first-person "egocentric" tone - I don't find th
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QuoteIn the last part of the interview with Jason Schultz at EFF talks about the Landmark Education case and how a new blogger can respond to DMCA notices: or This is a great video interview! Looks like it goes into some detail in describing the case and why EFF thinks Landmark Education is in the wrong on this one. Will you post this one to YouTube and Google Video as well? The
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Here are their profiles on LinkedIn: Emmett Culley Denise Culley
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I have recently heard about this large group awareness training course called Relationships 123. After looking through their website, they are using jargon very similar to Landmark Education/Est Training : QuoteRelationships 123 is in the business of causing relationship dreams to come true, by powerfully distinguishing the differences between men and women. We provide weekend programs, s
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Apologetics Index have linked to the EFF interview in an article on their site: EFF on Landmark Education’s DMCA subpoena
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QuoteAhhh.... Stockholm Syndrome Lite... It appears that rigid thinkers, and even more so that subgroup known as concrete thinkers are particularly easy to "flip" .... where, by contrast, those equipped with elastic, ironic, multi-perspective thought processes... meaning those minds that aren't particularly susceptible to "leaps of faith".... find the Wernerite posturings
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QuoteI wrote as well and got nothing but positive feedback. What do you mean by positive feedback? Perhaps those who wrote and received feedback could post the response here on the message board?
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QuoteAll it would take is for one of these experienced and powerful class-action lawyers in the US, and they could possibly take Landmark down, and put them out of business. Does anyone think Landmark might have some Enron type problems? Or some problems about where all the money is going? Is money getting channelled off-shore somehow? What about the "employee owned" bullshit La
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QuoteThe intro part of my interview with Jason Schwartz at EFF on DMCA take down notices is up at: The are also up on YouTube -------------------------------- EFF on Landmark Education's DMCA subpoena (6:21): Jason Schwartz at EFF on DMCA Take Down Notices - Intro ------------------------------------------------------------------- On Google video --------------
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QuoteThe one thing I know is that landmark have a way around things for example paying a salary rather then wages.. wages pay by the hour so you get paid for OT salary you get a set amount even if you have to do extra hours. The other important thing to keep in mind when it comes to lawsuits, and suing and all that other stuff is that we are spread out around the world and what is legal in on
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QuoteI'm using blip.tv which is renowned in the videoblogging community for their hosting service. But I may put it up on Google Video, too. Well, hosting space is one thing, but if the video interview with EFF gets up on Google Video, YouTube, etc., the more places it gets up, the more people will see it. And in a description about the EFF Interview on those sites, one could put in some
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QuoteI wrote the publisher and pointed them to this site's LE info. They said they would look into it, it looks very "disturbing" to them and even hinted thay may have to do an "intervention" with the columnist! Please keep us posted on the developments of this. It would be most interesting to see if her further "columns" contain more brainwashed jargon, or
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QuoteGonna have to see how the local Labour board dept. views this game... Keep us posted. Perhaps the French video, Landmark Education and Art Schreiber's subsequent actions to suppress Freedom of Speech, and the investigations by the United States Federal Department of Labor will spur on and encourage concerned citizens to make reports to their own local Attorney's General, Bette
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2 new posts: Landmark Forum abuses copyright to suppress criticism The Lippard Blog and fresh from www.cultnews.com Landmark Education wants to make French news report a “forbidden video” on the Net
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Enric interviews Kurt Opsahl of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, on Landmark Education's bad use of a DMCA subpoena against Internet Archive:
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Field Trips: Greetings from the Landmark Forum By Laura Marble November 22, 2006 Looks sincere to me. Unfortunately, this person may have gone into the fold, never to return to her normal column again. In future letters look for jargon like "transformation", "possibility", and a slight tendency to want to sue people from all over the world...
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Looks like someone has put pieces of the video back up on YouTube: Anthony Rapp and Landmark Education Part 2 Landmark Education Part 3 Landmark Education Let's see how long they stay there before Art Schreiber has his way again...
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