Quotethat is the kind of thing Landmark covers up, when people have to be taken out of The Forum and to the emergency ward due to a mental or emotional breakdown, after having some horrendus trauma triggered, when that kind of trauma needs to be handled by a certified mental health specialist. That is very damning information to let leak out... If that woman harmed herself, or someone else,
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Klemmer is probably an exact copy of Landmark Education EST Werner Erhard and Associates "technology", they just probably thought they could make more money by going off on their own with all this stuff. I wonder if it is just as dangerous, and if there exists mounds of litigation and settled psychotic episodes and wrongful death lawsuits somewhere - kind of like the ongoing attemp
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From the 2004 Cult News report Landmark Education defendant in wrongful death lawsuit (so that we have the relevant info/links in the same thread as this develops)
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Quotekeep us up to date. it will be interesting to watch as the court case unfurls. According to the case filings, the next event is Thursday, January 4, 2007 at 13:30 PM. Perhaps this will generate some press, and/or prompt other individuals and government agencies to inquire and take more actions.
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Quotefelixcatski, After reading my post, the point in my car-crash example may have been obscured. The analysys of the 'victim' mentality is this: When I am blaming you for the wreck and for losing my job, I am in a place of stagnation. I am imobile and frozen in time. I am stuck in the 'past' with the 'accident' and I am not looking to the future. Th
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Interesting information from the alt.fan.landmark archives, back in 1998, I guess no volunteers had come forward to formally lodge a complaint with the US Dept Labor, maybe that is what it would take : QuoteLEC & The U.S. Department of Labor Author:ESumerlin Date: 1998/01/23 Forum: alt.fan.landmark I received a letter today from the U.S. Department of Labor stating that
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QuoteLandmark quits developing in Sweden The american company Landmark Education who provides courses in personal development, are closing down their Swedish operations after some negative publicity causing a falling number of participants. According to swedish morning daily, Dagens Nyheter, Landmark normally gives 5-6 courses a year in Stockholm, each having 110-160 participa
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QuoteLandmark is learning the lesson of Scientology, the more you try and squash free speech, especially on a medium as fluid as the internet, critics are only going to get louder, and their message is only going to spread further. Very, very, very good point ! Attempts to "squash free speech" as you say, are very bad for business. Unfortunately, in the end, Landmark Education w
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QuoteIf you take the average Landmark forum which has 150 people in it. multiplied by the fee for the weekend $450 then they make $67500. minus expenses - flying a forum leader in (if required) accommodaton and the renting of a room/conference facility if the landmark offices don't have their own (most do) they are making approx $60,000 for one weekend. they do 12 a year that is $720000 in t
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QuoteTo dig up that kind of info would require some serious investigative reporters, as Werner Erhard & Co would have dozens of dummy shell companies all over the place making money transfers. There are people who specialize in hiding and moving money, but they are very hard to catch. Also, if someone with some resources could finance a top private detective to be put on Werner Erha
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QuoteThanks! I have to say that this is really perversely fascinating to me. I really feel for those of you who have had a friend or loved one sucked in by this crap. For me, it's a bit of an intellectual excercise because I don't have an emotional attachment to my boss (although, she does seem like a nice person...I feel sorry for her, but my sympathy is limited by the fact that it
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QuoteThis book about Werner Erhard (Jack Rosenberg) is a must read. Outrageous Betrayal: The Real Story of Werner Erhard from Est to Exile: by Steven Pressman. You can get used copies for 15 bucks. Its available in many public library systems for free. Excellent book. Among some other things, this book helped to break me of the zombie brainwashing from the EST derivati
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It appears the French video is back on Google Video: Or alternatively, just search Google Video for Landmark Forum. Now everybody go there, give it a 5-star rating and post some favorable comments! Tee hee hee! Wonder if this means it can go back up on other video sharing sites as well ?
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QuoteThe highlight of the day, of course, was the fear exercise ... I had read about this and wasn't going to let myself be hypnotized. Regardless, this was one of the most disturbing but fascinating experiences of my life. It was like an exorcism. I began by just staring at the floor. But as people started crying and wailing, I couldn't help but let my eyes wander around the room to se
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QuoteAs far as how money moves around the world, its not hard for the experts, when you have a company operating internationally. A person can set up dozens of shell companies in places like the Cayman Islands, and they can be a mailbox, and no one even knows who owns them. Combine those with anonymous numbered bank accounts, and dozens of other tricks, and its not hard for people with lots o
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Let's say, hypothetically, that we were going to analyze the theory that Werner Erhard is in fact in complete control of Landmark Education and its associated companies, and derives personal monies from their operations. How would this be done? Through phone conversations and meetings with intermediaries like Art Schreiber and Harry Rosenberg ? Could the money be flowed to the
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QuoteIntegrity: A Positive Model that Incorporates the Normative Phenomena of Morality, Ethics and Legality (pdf file of Keynote Slides) MICHAEL C. JENSEN Harvard Business School; The Monitor Company; Social Science Electronic Publishing (SSEP), Inc. WERNER ERHARD Independent Consultant STEVE ZAFFRON Landmark Education Business Development, Inc.; Landmark Education LLC --------
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QuoteI volunteer at Ironman triathlons ...handing out water at aid stations, getting finsihers their medals, etc. Over 4,000 people typically volunteer at one of these races, yet the company that organizes these events -- the World Triathlon Corporation -- is a for profit corporation. However, they could never stage one of these events and keep the entry fees affordable without the volunteers. I
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QuoteShrimpboat, I understand what your're going thru - under no circumstances take any Landmark seminars, your mental and emotional health are more important than your job! That said, what you should do in the meantime is contact the local office of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (federal or state) in your area. Explain that your boss is attempting to recruit you into Landmark,
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For anyone who already has or is planning to create a MySpace account, there are some interesting groups available to join on MySpace : Down with Landmark Education People that Did Not Like the Landmark Forum Landmark Possibilities Landmark Education Forum Grads LANDMARK ! LANDMARK EDUCATION LOS ANGELES
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Landmark Drops Copyright Infringement Subpoenas On Google And Anonymous Critic Landmark sought a subpoena to find out who posted hidden camera footage from an event held by the French branch of the organization. By K.C. Jones InformationWeek Dec 1, 2006 04:19 PM QuoteA self-help group has dropped its attempts to claim copyright infringement and identify an anonymous online cr
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QuoteI heard through a source at a network that one of the top magazine shows (20/20 or Nightline or one of those) allegedly has someone "inside" LE and are planning a big expose for "sweeps week". Apparently this person has become pretty high in the rank-n-file. I can't wait! Please do keep us posted...
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QuoteAlso if CAIC continue to host it then all that has to be done is to spread the URL. Even better create an easy to remember tiny link. Small videos on Gootube could simply list the URL - that wouldn't be breaking any copyright. Then there are the Usenet Newsgroups - flood them with the URL - but not spam-wise. Simply upload lots of separate posts - again just listing the URL but using La
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Someone else tried uploading the video back to YouTube. The video was there for a coupla days, in a few different pieces, but now it's all down again with the following YouTube announcement: "This video has been removed at the request of copyright owner Landmark Education because its content was used without permission" According to and their Draft Motion to Quash Landm
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Also interesting info at the Better Business Bureau of San Diego : QuoteConsumers who plan to attend seminars should be aware that in most cases the presenters will promote products and services that are for sale. Products sold at these seminars include self-improvement, investment education materials, and home-based businesses, including real estate buying and selling. Consumers who in
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Four very interesting reports. From a search for Landmark Education Rip-Off Report.com is a service of badbusinessbureau.com
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There is a pretty good family tree available at :
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QuoteWhat can we do to get this organisation regulated? - they are without doubt picking on the vulnerable and emotionally weak. It is sick and should be stopped. Lucie, to answer your question about what you can do, you can WRITE! :) First, do some reading and research. Read about/watch the vid: Read the Cult News articles about Landmark Education here: Read through some of
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QuoteNovember 30, 2006 Self-Help Group Backs Off Attack on Internet Critic Landmark Forum Withdraws Subpoena for Identity of Anonymous Poster San Francisco - A controversial self-help group has backed off its attack on an Internet critic after the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) intervened in the case. Landmark Education, known for its Landmark Forum motivational workshops, served
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Well, I may not understand these links, but there could be a connection:
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