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sonnie_dee
I was on staff and I have seen the annual reports. I am aware of how the money works but its more once I am out that I understand more. When I was working there I didn't look at things in the same way I do now.
I remember at a staff conference when some legal agreements were given to us, we were told to get them checked by legal representatives but I don't know of a single person who did, we blindly trusted the company. The problem now is I have to watch what I say because of the legal agreements I have signed blindly.
And before anyone asks, I have had them checked by a lawyer and I have pretty much screwed myself over in terms of not being able to disclose some of the information about financial and business side of things.
Looking back I should have done a lot of things differently particularly in terms of the agreements I signed. But hind sight is a great thing.
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sonnie_dee
I was on staff and I have seen the annual reports. I am aware of how the money works but its more once I am out that I understand more. When I was working there I didn't look at things in the same way I do now.
I remember at a staff conference when some legal agreements were given to us, we were told to get them checked by legal representatives but I don't know of a single person who did, we blindly trusted the company. The problem now is I have to watch what I say because of the legal agreements I have signed blindly.
And before anyone asks, I have had them checked by a lawyer and I have pretty much screwed myself over in terms of not being able to disclose some of the information about financial and business side of things.
Looking back I should have done a lot of things differently particularly in terms of the agreements I signed. But hind sight is a great thing.
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Europe-girl
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When I stopped Landmark it was a conscious decision. The biggest reason was that I didn’t see myself improve anymore. All the ‘breakthroughs’ I had were for Landmark, very little for my personal life. I tried to invest in my own life, using the courses, but it didn’t work. All the pressure on targets and projects I deep down didn’t want to do in the first place… I just couldn’t avoid that. Somehow something gave me the very sane idea that it was time to put everything I had learned to the test and do it by myself.
So I stopped assisting and stopped doing courses, completely.
I guess in the years after that I looked at Landmark as a valuable experience, where I learned a lot. And felt richer in the process.
It took me some time to start realising again the value of ‘non-Landmarkers’ and picked up my own life slowly.
Then a couple of years ago I came across a forum-site where someone asked if it was a cult or dangerous. And I responded calmly: there is value in the trainings but don’t get sucked in.
And then 3 days ago I hit this forum and it hit home.
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Europe-girl
The thing about breakthroughs is that the more you get involved in Landmark, the less interest you get for breakthroughs in your personal life, or your personal life blends in totally with Landmark. Then it's all about targets, training yourself in new tasks within the Landmark organization and having 'breakthroughs' in that. When after all of that you try to refocus again on your personal goals outside of Landmark, it's tough! Since they keep nagging you about inviting and enrolling people.
With regard to the inner dialogue. Of course it's not good to disregard your inner dialogue all together. But sometimes it helps me to identify my thoughtprocess and then decide to either go along with it or not. That I learned in Landmark... Even now I realise how devious this organization works and how much brainwashing is going on, I trust my own judgements enough to know that some things are at the core not even bad. It's what they made of it that makes it so nasty. They are smart enough to put in some ingredients that can in fact work, if you use it sanely and with [i:abb4869bce]true [/i:abb4869bce]authenticity.
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It's sickening how much these scammers are able to control people who actually believe they should "honor" their ~agreements.~ They use the people who are the most honest, even though THEY feel no such obligation. Do you really think they are "honest" about where the money goes and who gets what? These are con artists. They don't care about ~agreements.~ ~Agreements~ are for the "little people." My poor brother thinks he owes thousands to the Co$, even though the whole thing is a rip-off. But because he signed some sort of "agreement," he will probably be paying them for the rest of his life.
What about putting the information out anonymously?
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Or perhaps only releasing a small portion of the information, as part of a fair use critique?
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I also received a letter from Landmark reminding me of my legal agreements and with a nice little masked threat last year.
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It's sickening how much these scammers are able to control people who actually believe they should "honor" their ~agreements.~ They use the people who are the most honest, even though THEY feel no such obligation. Do you really think they are "honest" about where the money goes and who gets what? These are con artists. They don't care about ~agreements.~ ~Agreements~ are for the "little people." My poor brother thinks he owes thousands to the Co$, even though the whole thing is a rip-off. But because he signed some sort of "agreement," he will probably be paying them for the rest of his life.
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Or perhaps only releasing a small portion of the information, as part of a fair use critique?
I actually spoke to a lawyer about a year ago and showed him all the documents that I had signed. He warned me that they were legally binding and that I should be very careful about releasing the information I had. We fully discussed what things I could and couldn't say without causing legal issues.
I also received a letter from Landmark reminding me of my legal agreements and with a nice little masked threat last year.
Unfortunately there is very little way to release things anonymously simply because in our country the number of staff/ex staff is very small. And most of the ex staff are still happy with their involvement and continue to assist. there are only a few of us who have really become anti Landmark since leaving staff.
Elena I agree it is sickening and unfortunately they win in this case. I can't afford a legal fight with landmark. They have the money and resources to win and I don't.