Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: November 07, 2024 11:51AM

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

Carl Sagan


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Truth wins ()
Date: November 10, 2024 05:36PM

Unfortunately it is impossible to completely forget the miseries of SoI when you see Tulsi’s face on the net every single day.
I was thinking that Butler did a great job creating this persona with his strategies. Sending her to the Army to make her pass for a hero.
Picking a female with a good amount of male energy and confidence.
The process of Bhakti Yoga consists of detaching totally from the material world and lead a life close to the Amish’s.
Yet Butler engages his disciples and students in one the most corrupt sectors, which is politics.
Plugging them all quite deeply into the material world.
Caring about supposedly making this world a better place while you abuse your own followers. It makes perfect sense.

I had the opportunity to come across a true devotee. The ones we read of in scriptures. And that made me realize to what extent we have been scammed. Butler is a scammer and now he his delivering his scam to the world in the form of Tulsi. The same way he was able to fool us, she will do a great job of passing for a moral Wonder Woman/ X men (according to J Peterson). The reality is that most people are not ready to look at the lies and corruption. The efforts to expose her background seem rather futile. It bursts the bubbles of illusion. Tulsi, the hero descended form the sky. The gem of the world of politics. Corruption is now a norm in our society and it almost does not bother people. Let us hold on to the illusion. Same way we held on to the illusion that butler was the pure representative of god.

The painful and ugly truth is out there if you sincerely look for it. Or it will find you if you are sincere. But it takes courage to look at the darkness. Both within and without. This is why I am grateful for all those who did expose butler. For the 0.00000001 % who do not want to get fooled. How can people live with so many lies? How can Tulsi be such an actress? Politician by day, bowing down to a narcissist guru by night. I doubt she has ever seen the ugly side of butler. He has surely treated her and her parents like family.

How can she even know she truly is serving a psycho narcissist? She never had to pay a fine for a salty dish. Get abused and cry under the dictatorship of butler. She is part of his golden children, like midget. We live in the world of lies and illusion. And the guru, is supposed to be the faultless one. That ship has sinked for sure. SoI is the greatest spiritual clown show. Based solely on fear and the addiction to the spiritual highs. Leaving the cult is for sure a great divine protection. All the pain that comes with losing a spiritual family, is worth being free from that prison. We do not have to enter a cult to get fooled. The world is a cult in itself. And we must keep avoiding scams. I am forever thankful to those who spoke the truth about butler. Without your courage and compassion, I would never be free. Thank you 1000000 times.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: November 11, 2024 01:27AM

Truth wins Wrote:
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> Unfortunately it is impossible to completely
> forget the miseries of SoI when you see Tulsi’s
> face on the net every single day.
> I was thinking that Butler did a great job
> creating this persona with his strategies. Sending

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Nowadays, Butler regards Gabbard with fatherly pride, likening himself to a music teacher watching a star pupil excel. “He’s taught one of his students cello,” he says. “And he sees that, oh, this student of mine is now playing cello in the philharmonic orchestra. And it’s beautiful.”

[www.newyorker.com]

Of course. He is proud. I mean broadly - he fully wants to bear the consequences of his student's actions.

Who in 2012, 2014, 2016 took money from Planned Parenthood performing up to 350 thousand abortions a year. Have fun Butler. Enjoy this party that awaits you.

> her to the Army to make her pass for a hero.

In Iraq, she sat heroically at the computer and entered casualties into a spreadsheet. According to soldiers' testimonies, she never took part in a skirmish or a patrol. As a superior in peacetime, she avoided conflicts with her superiors in order to fulfill the requests of her subordinates.

> Caring about supposedly making this world a better
> place while you abuse your own followers. It makes
> perfect sense.

Let him think of something for the might of the Chinese People's Liberation Army. Because in the event of a defeat of the American fleet in the Taiwan Strait or the South China Sea, the hacienda on Lanikai Beach will have to be abandoned. And sorry, death is already staring the greatest "guru" of the whole world in the eye, so it may be a bit too late.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: November 12, 2024 07:55AM

If Death is staring Butler in the face, it's simply because he gets no sun on his skin and has lived in an aluminum tin-foil interior for over the last 30+ years.

That and managing his political Puppet, Tulsi Gabbard, is literally his full-time job at this stage.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: November 14, 2024 01:31PM

For your amusement:

[www.iskcon-truth.com]

[prabhupadabooks.com]

We left Butler's schools thinking this was factual and undisputed science...

Melting the human brain like ghee.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: November 14, 2024 10:58PM

I did this too as a fanatic devotee, even drank the water and brought bottles of it back home to sprinkle on food...

https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/sustainability/it-stinks-but-its-ok-defying-warnings-indias-hindus-bathe-in-holy-river-polluted-with-toxic-foam/news-story/43f9c95294dc78e656493e9a67b0fe89

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: November 15, 2024 01:05AM

Tulsi Gabbard (Disciple of Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa, AKA Chris Butler) served a 12-month deployment in Iraq from 2004 to 2005. Her role there was office work, not involving active or any legitimate combat medic duties or being an actual infantry. Her assignment in Iraq was with a medical unit, but by all accounts from fellow soldiers her primary responsibilities were logistical and support-related (desk jockey), rather than frontline medical care.

Later, she also deployed to Kuwait in 2008 (on the orders of her guru to advance her political status and better position herself as having some "credentials" so she can tell everyone she "knows first hand the cost of war"), where she served in a different role focused on so-called counterterrorism. So, while she was trained as a combat medic, her time spent in actual combat medical duties was none. her service was in a support capacity at best. Hardly the image she portrays as some sort of combat soldier posing with guns and in camo uniform every few days while her blind followers gobble up he cult tactics.

She has spent maybe two years in the military, not combat, war, or terror. Daddy's girl is safe behind the desk.

She's otherwise kept her post in the National Guard for 20 years, where she shows up for photo ops in uniform and then posts on social media, giving the impression she's a combat war veteran. A slap in the face of actual soldiers who don't ever really flaunt their war memorabilia and status.

Like her guru and the cult she's in, it's all exaggerated claims with nothing to back it up. Like her spiritual master and much of the scriptures she believes in, she spends most of her time promoting fear-mongering, conspiracy theories, and pushing conservative and regressive agendas.

As a youth, going to the same SIF cult schools as I did, she left the Philippines girl's ashram with an 8th-grade education and firmly believing that a chariot and horses are pulling around our sun and that the world is flat with Mount Meru at the center surrounded by oceans of milk, honey, and alcohol. She left the school with less than an 8th-grade education and zero active combat experience, she was a flip-flopping political pawn for her guru, and then went on to try to keep advancing her political power trip by paying allegiance to Trump.

So now she's serving a draft dogging felon. Tulsi Gabbard Ki Jai!

Thus ends the RUN-FOREST-RUN purport on the earthly pastimes of Tulsi Gabbard.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: November 15, 2024 01:56AM

The Srimad Bhagavatam, or Bhagavata Purana, is dated around 500-1000 CE, based on its compositional style, use of post-Vedic Sanskrit, and focus on devotional movements, which became popular at that time. The earliest mention of it in historical texts appears around the 10th century. Historically, this places the Srimad Bhagavatam at about 1,000 to 1,500 years old—not remotely 5,000 years old or from the Rig Vedic period. The Rig Veda contains no references to Krishna as a supreme god; even Vishnu plays a minor role, barely mentioned. The rig veda is a text not much unlike other neo-pegan texts of tribal early nomadic peoples. The most frequent word used in the Rig veda and 4 vedas is "soma", a heavy intoxicant. That should explain most of what you read in the otherwise unreadable and unintelligible texts.

It’s only in later texts, like the Mahabharata and Bhagavad Gita, that Krishna is explicitly developed as a divine figure. In the Puranas, especially the Bhagavata Purana, Krishna’s divinity is proposed as the culmination of a religious movement. This approach mirrors other sects that reinterpret previous scriptures to elevate their central deity or figure.

Radha, for instance, isn’t mentioned in these texts; her first appearance is in 12th-century erotic poetry by Nimbarka and Jayadev. The Maha Mantra, too, is absent from foundational texts like the Chaitanya Charitamrita and only appears in a later Purana, likely added by Vaishnav sects to bolster Krishna worship.

This movement also idealizes vegetarianism, though throughout history, humans hunted to survive. India’s climate allowed for year-round agriculture (not the case for most of the rest of the world where a vegeterian diet would have been impossible or impractical), but evidence shows that Vedic and Harappan people ate cattle and other animals. Meat-eating is part of human history, with domesticated animals providing food, labor, and companionship. The Rigveda suggests significant cattle use, and archaeological evidence shows that animals were slaughtered for food, much like today (even Orissa by the sea has a high historical fish consumption among Brahmins as that was a native food source). This doesn't mean we shouldn't aim to reduce suffering in meat industries, but for every crop harvested, countless other animals—like rabbits and field mice—are also killed. All animals, after all, face natural predators that don’t concern themselves with animal welfare. Humans have domesticated animals, feed them, shelter them, and, in return, obtain food. This relationship is as old as humanity itself.

Today, India is among the world’s top beef suppliers, with about 40% of its population being non-vegetarian. Many suffer from high rates of malnutrition, diabetes, and heart disease due to an unbalanced diet heavy in grains and sweets. Romanticizing vegetarianism ignores these realities and distorts traditional food sources and rational diets.

Ultimately, this is a modern-day cult selling myths under a superficial layer of philosophy. Don’t be taken in by these fabrications. It’s 2024—think critically. Don’t be swayed by the empty words of gurus enjoying comfortable lives while claiming moral superiority.

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