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> Thanks for the link Corboy.
> Culthusiast, it would be a miracle if she realizes
> the absolute disaster she has been led into.
> We all know how blinding the faith in guru can be.

It is possible when she gets into bigger trouble and the dream of a beautiful career "with divine guidance of the guru and divine plan" ends. Of course when the "guru" who wants to follow her goes back to his own guidance and rejects her - that would be a better factor that could shake her out of this stupidity.

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> You cannot just give up being a worshipped goddess
> in a cult you have known for 44 years.

When someone is a narcissist - especially difficult. Narcissistic guru, narcissistic parents. After all, Senor Mike constantly creates himself, advertises himself. Attached to self-creation, promotion. Narcissism in daddy, less in mommy, narcissistic "guru" whose own mistakes forced him to avoid the world. From which he had the opportunity to leave many times but strangely sits in his hole and does not want to leave.

> Looking back at the days in the cult, I realize
> that we were mostly chasing happiness.
> And you would kill and die for that heroine fix.
> I suspect that Tulsi must feel lots of bliss being
> a soldier for the fake spirituality of SoI.

On the promise of happiness you can travel a little, invest a little. Credit like that. Readiness to sacrifice. Happiness fever, gold fever, fever of promises of communism etc.

Time passes, bitter fruits come and a hard landing.7

> You cannot learn courage from a hypochondriac who
> is always worried about illnesses and getting
> assassinated.

But you can dig him a tunnel to the garden, which he will want to escape through when the men of the man he accused of being the godfather of local crime come to get him. This self-exalting hero will choose the tunnel over chanting mantras... After all, it's better to climb a tree than to have faith that God in the heart of a lion or a mafioso's people will drive them away...

> You cannot learn truth from a guru who is
> encouraging you to think that lying for Krishna is
> transcendental.

But at the same time:

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BG 16.1-3: The Supreme Divine Personality said: O scion of Bharat, these are the saintly virtues of those endowed with a divine nature—fearlessness, purity of mind, steadfastness in spiritual knowledge, charity, control of the senses, sacrifice, study of the sacred books, austerity, and straightforwardness; non-violence, truthfulness, absence of anger, renunciation, peacefulness, restraint from fault-finding, compassion toward all living beings, absence of covetousness, gentleness, modesty, and lack of fickleness; vigor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, bearing enmity toward none, and absence of vanity.

> Bad influences can be very subtle or obvious.
> The negative influence butler has on his followers
> is nicely hidden behind the false light.
> I feel as though SoI is slowly paying for the
> lives it destroyed.

Some former believers in Poland spoke of visions of being born in a dimension that was energetically matched, in a place where there was still light but full of dark trees, where there was a sense of lurking cruel entities attacking from the side. They also had visions of underground, dark dimensions. Shallow underground or deep underground where steel bars separated them from fully demonic boots. But these were already undergrounds full of dirt.

The dark dreams you describe may have one purpose.
It is possible that they had their scary dreams to push them back into the cult.
I guess we can call it supernatural coercion.
I have dealt with such phenom. My experiences are more hellish than any horror movies.
I also have very beautiful coercion experiences to lure me back.


The issue with SoI is that they have zero clue how intense spiritual warfare truly is in this reality.
They have this false sense of security they are protected.
You are also under the illusion that you have spiritual vision.
Illusions can be very dangerous for the soul.
I guess that over all being a devotee is to go from one illusion to the next.
You think you are outsmarting illusion via the illusion buster guru.
Not knowing that your guru is also lost in that same land.


It is very ironic when butler says that lowly devotees are like the blind leading the blind.
And that we must always seek the association of most advanced devotees.
But who the hell are the advanced and pure devotees of SoI?
Imagine how desperate one can be to look at these people as advanced.
As butler would say, beggars can’t be choosers.
When you realize the hell you must face to attain true freedom, you grasp why the majority of humans have embraced spiritual slavery.

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> The dark dreams you describe may have one
> purpose.
> It is possible that they had their scary dreams to
> push them back into the cult.

Yes, there was such a hypothesis that the forces behind Chris Butler and controlling him (see the video where he is clearly crazy and looks enslaved) give the cult some protection.

What does your intuition say about such a fragment of the dream - a psychotherapist after contact with a former follower spoke about a dream where after entering the group (the followers were presented as ape-men with bull heads) after trying to lull his vigilance at night they approached the guy with a syringe. What do you think about it?


> Illusions can be very dangerous for the soul.

According to one of the psychological interpretations, chanting mantras is not treating the problem but escaping from the problem of one's own unconsciousness, one's own demons, etc. Escape into myths, fairy tales, imaginations. Still an escape. This is quite important in the context of time. Because while Butler encouraged joining a sect and chanting that even in this life someone will achieve success, in Gaudiya Math, for example, they talk about many lives. However, according to this narrative, the mantra does not work immediately.

> It is very ironic when butler says that lowly
> devotees are like the blind leading the blind.
> And that we must always seek the association of
> most advanced devotees.

At the same time, his isolation deepened. Who were the most advanced in his opinion? Those who gave the largest donations? Japa das, co-owner of the fraud pyramid or Paramahamsa das Bowler, convicted drug dealer and smuggler? Association, or free service for the scraps that fall from the gracious table?

> But who the hell are the advanced and pure
> devotees of SoI?

Biggest donors of the married paramahamsa.



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The astral world is a very complex dimension.
And I am reluctant to get too esoteric in this forum.
I am criticized for using words such as Maya and karma.
Imagine if I had to use terminologies that people have not even heard of.
Surface level knowledge will never allow you to go too deep.
If you have zero clue about the supernatural, then you fall for the supernatural so easily like devotees do.
Not just devotees, but pretty much everybody. Including myself my entire life.

It is only in the past years that I can see a bit more clearly.
And it is not for the faint at heart either.
Dreams are only relevant if you have the gift of prophecy.
In the case of ex members, the nightmares may be a reflection of all the negative emotions they carry.
Fear, guilt, trauma…
For example if you come back from combat, you will have nightmares about the war all the time.
One must work very deeply to heal the suppressed emotions and trauma so that it does not affect the dream world.

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> The astral world is a very complex dimension.
> And I am reluctant to get too esoteric in this
> forum.

This dimension is the worst for sick minds without physical grounding.

> Dreams are only relevant if you have the gift of
> prophecy.
> In the case of ex members, the nightmares may be a
> reflection of all the negative emotions they
> carry.
> Fear, guilt, trauma…

One must be able to distinguish between manifested needs and fears and the perception of this dimension.

Either way, we have another installment of this tragicomedy. Cult members who were enamored with the president and his acolyte Tulsi Gabbard are now deeply disappointed and posting about it on their Facebook profiles. Well, no surprise there.
What happened? Where is the divine guidance and direction? Where is Tulsi Gabbard's saving role in the world? What's going wrong? Are the Vedas ineffective and not telling the truth? Or perhaps you've only just learned them... And even worse, following the rules. Everything is in accordance with the mechanisms.

Devotees post something opposite to what they should?
What miracles has happened?
They realize they have been fooled? It is a very small progress.

They are as naive as children. Even the Vedas haven't helped them. They can't translate the chakras into a pyramid of needs, or the theory of the gunas into matters such as geopolitical principles—propaganda, science, military and economic power, extended lines of communication, trade rivalry and military conflict, the dictates of space. If they truly understood Vedic mapping, it would be easy for them to understand the childishness of Tulsi Gabbard and her beloved Trump. And so came the lessons. Lessons for Elon. He didn't grasp that different rules govern business (vaysa) than government (ksatria)—to simplify it to Vedic mapping. And that a comfortably living multi-billionaire (guda) doesn't understand those starving or living homeless on the streets of Los Angeles. A lack of insight. And that was to be expected. And it's obvious. And that Russia lives off China, even though, as Vladimir Putin once said, China is sucking the lifeblood of the Russian economy. And so Tulsi, the Warmonger-hating, Democratic traitor, faithfully serves the one who wants to annex Greenland and Canada. Because in the case of the Panama Canal, there are still some formal grounds. No surprise there. You should have read the Bhagavata more carefully instead of listening to Chris Butler.

They have been hypnotized and misled.
I know how it happened.
I can be sarcastic at times, but deep down, I know that they are in a mystical trance and spell.
Spiritual trance is very powerful. It comes with some really sweet candies.
They have been fooled by the Vedas who told them to see guru as god.
The Vedas told them that the elephant offense is spiritual suicide.
The Vedas encouraged them to be as tolerant as trees and lowly as a urinal.
The Vedas told them to shut the hell up and think that everything is ego and an offense.
Now you think the same teachings that enslaved them, will open their eyes?
Butler is supposed to be the master decoder of the Gita.
How can they trust their own interpretation?
No my friend, the veil that covers their eyes is to thick.