While I absolutely think this fellow is a total lunatic and an example of the rot that destroys the mind and brain of cult followers, it may be of interest to some current SIF members who want to distinguish between what "real" gaudiya Vaishnavism is versus the hodgepodge dhal that ISKCON and SIF are...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7q_iTElt-0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccvc-yfdvRI&t=5891s

https://youtu.be/S842f_oD1JM?t=493

I've talked about this before here and continue to highlight all the various invented things that they suggest their followers to accept with little to no actual scriptural basis or much verifiable info about it (except for, you guessed it: visions, dreams, and books only their own cult recognizes).

So, in the end, its central claim to fame is that it is simply one of the many hodgepodge religious cults that live under the broad umbrella of "Hinduism," a term invented a few hundred years ago. And the same for the term "Sanatana Dharma", not found in any Vedic scripture and used for socio-political and nationalist "Hindu" identity reasons only in the last 200 years.

The mantra that these cults profess has some magic power is nothing more than a concoction and distortion of one highly suspect Puranas mention of it.

Same for the Radha goddess. It is a later-addition goddess mainly invented by the medieval poet Jayadev.

Their fundamental belief is this: If you serve and follow a "real guru" (like the dude in the video above), he will "reveal" to you your "eternal" spiritual form/identity as a 12-year-old "manjari" cowherd girl in the "spiritual world of Goloka (literally "cow land")."...

This is the topmost spiritual goal/achievement in this cult and 100% the exact thing they ultimately preach and offer after you after you have rummaged through years of arduous lectures, classes, and mind-numbing chanting and ritualism. The rest is all invented mumbo jumbo. Think about it, and then...

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> https://youtu.be/S842f_oD1JM?t=493

Good material.

1)
"Finally Mahaprabhu's Movement Will Spread Everywhere"

Expansionist goal at the beginning. Main motto, main motive. Shouldn't the authentic motto sound humble "to give a chance to get to know the taste of love for God".

Exactly the same motto at the end. Even if we accept that the expansion of the movement to the whole world is the beginning, it would be appropriate to close the message with something greater. A higher goal. The ultimate goal. Love for God or liberation. No, the material ends with the same thing as at the beginning - for the movement to spread. Expansionist goal at the beginning and end. The message is there - there is nothing more.

And this photo of one of the "gurus" with a raised finger - severely punishing or firmly educating. Pointing out mistakes. Nothing to add, nothing to subtract?

2)
9:16
[youtu.be]

If the "guru" is the true, pure and enlightening one, then why "give him" a golden starry halo?

But here:
[www.youtube.com]

"Are all Babajis Sahajiyas?"

The argument for those who know the philosophy and the difference between traditional and other lines seems acceptable. Maharaja Ji himself is, however, very emotional.



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Hilarious. The people are waking up...

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/dharma-in-danger-but-lord-krishna-busy-with-gopikas-to-take-avatar-shiv-sena-ubt-leaders-shocker-watch/ar-AA1s0O23

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The peaceful monks are at it...

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/violent-clash-between-monks-at-iskcon-temple-sparks-police-investigation-in-patna/articleshow/114099346.cms

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Yoga, specifically Hatha Yoga, is not a "Gaudiya Vaishnava" practice. Like, at all. In fact, you can barely find much mention of it in any Vaishnava scriptures. So ISKCOn and SIF using hatha yoga as a preaching vessel is disingenuous and simply a way to attract the "yoga crowd". Chaitanya did not do Hatha Yoga, nor did they do pranayam or any of that stuff. The Goswami, Bhaktiviniode, Prabhupada, et al. did no hatha yoga or stretching exercises.

In this article, the ISKCON devbot makes a false claim that "Krishna is the same god as the one depicted in the Old Testament."...

https://universe.byu.edu/metro/the-ancient-art-of-practicing-yoga

Um, no. And no serious student of religion, theology, history or symatics would every agree. Yet devotees always make these types of claims and associations. They say Jesus is "Lord Brahma" or that Jesus went to India, or that XYZ obscure story somehow points to krishna being mentioned in the bible. Total fabricated nonsense like most of the stuff they preach.

The purpose of my rant against this group is this: If you are in this cult and feel it is "off", "weird" or in anyway fake, false, exaggerated, or downright wrong, you are not alone. Get out while you can. Life awaits you. What you are currently experiencing is not "your life", but rather something that was planted in your mind by a parent, guru figure or some books/devotees. And while some aspects of it resonated with you, know this: Belief in Reincarnation, Yoga, Karma, Vegetarianism, and even Samkhya and Brahmavidya, etc. are NOT UNIQUE or even originated in any Krishna theology or faith. Rather, all of the above beliefs predate any existence of the Krishna god, Radha, Chaitanya, etc. etc. They predate any "maha mantra" etc. Even Mantra meditation and all manner of "dharmic" ideas have literally no origin in Krishnaism or this cult. And definitely, no "5000 years unbroken lineage" crap they try to feed you. So RUN. Run hard and run far. They thrive only because people give them attention. But fewer and fewer people are fooled and enamored by them. Thanks to well-documented research, skeptics, and constant questioning that the hare Krishnas eventually fail and cannot answer with anything short of "You're not pure enough! keep chanting, surrender to guru and serve..."

It likely is if you feel it is off, just like when you smell bad milk. You don't need to take a sip to know. And you sure as shit don't need to keep drinking.

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Yogic practices were and are associated with these unitive goals:

* Escaping Moksha and merging with the godhead

Gaudiya Vaishnava is a bhakti sect. It is not a yogic sect.

Prabhupada or some other bhakta guru said, "I want to taste sugar, not become sugar."

The ultimate goal in bhakti is not to unite/unitively merge with the godhead but to perfect oneself as a devotee, remaining forever in a ecstatic but dualistic relatioship with the god.

Right, but yet these cults continue to use hatha yoga, pranayama, yoga nidra and other neo-hindu ideas as a way to appeal to followers. and they are disingenuous that these things have NOTHING to do with the actual practices and teachings of the cult.

But of course, it is also misleading to claim that the bhakti cults are not "Yogic" in as much as they call it "Bhakti yoga", "Karama yoga," and the Gita and other Vaishnavite texts explicitly refer to the practices as yoga. The so-called Vyasa dev compiler of the "Veda" is attributed to have made commentary on Patanjali yoga sutras, and most of those commentaries were "bhakti-ized."

So there is that.

But this semantic discussion is hardly my point.

Regardless of how you slice it, the goal is essentially the same in all Eastern traditions: release and liberation, be that going to heaven, absorbing in worship/service into an eternal relationship with a physical diety, or merging into oneness/brahman/nirvana/samadhi, etc.

The extra layer of delusion is the very specific goal of the Guadiya Cult, which claimed that the goal of life is to realize one true "form" as a 12-year-old "manjari" maidservant of the "divine couple", all essentially recent inventions in the completely non-Vedic lineage. Dravidian, yes. Tamil, yes. Puranic and post-vedic, yes. Sane, rational, or ancient? Absolutely not. The most recent dating of these texts and gods is no more than 1000-2000 years. The realistic dating of this cult in its current expression is 200-500 years MAX. That is essentially no different than Mormonism or any other modern-day cult that has gained some traction and notoriety. And riddled with just as much nonsense and abuse as Mormonism and similar modern-day cults.

Basically, like Tulsi Gabbard, the Gaidiya Cult attempted to be all things all at once. A type of deluded pluralism that essentially bites you in the ass as you can't believe in all things all the time, and it all ends up sounding like a mickey mouse religious aim when you say it out loud. Nor do they ever say it out loud. Most people have to be in the cult a good many years before they are told the so-called "secret" esoteric ideas. By then, their brain has become mush, and they eat it up even when it does not add up. I too was one of those lunatics who just drank dirty ganga water and loudly chanted "radhe radhe! Jai Gurudev!!!" as I nibbled on butlers toenail maha and drank foot wash water. I listened with wrapped attention to the Chaitanya charitamrita and chanted 16+ rounds a day while fasting on Ekadasi and giving 50% of my income to support some temple or guru who was massaged daily and fed like a king while people sat with zombie's faces and listened to cheesy myths while my life sailed me by. Luckily I started to research the history of it all, ask questions, and use my brain to see how it all did nothing for me. I spent my days playing dolls with krishna statues and dressing hem up and shaving my head and putting tribal markings on my body while chanting the Gayatri mantra (a non-gaudiya practice invented by Bhaktisiddhanta) and imagining that some "advancement" was taking place. I was completely ill-prepared for society and relationships, with zero self-worth and irrational conspiracy theories and beliefs. It's literally like crawling out of a black, sticky tar bubble. And when you look back at it you are blow away how it all was once your "reality", this total nonsense fiction. Complete cognitive dissonance.

Devotees are not going up to people on the street and saying: This is what our cult believes in... If they did, people would run the other way. Instead, they use all manner of underhanded avenues to appeal to seeking minds. They start off with hatha yoga, bold claims about mantras having some "power" to wipe all the sins of man and purify their "mind," and then they start with the next level bullshit that by then it's too late. By then, the practitioner has gone down the rabbit hole of mixing rational philosophy, plausible ideas like karma, reincarnation, atma, and guna theory, and even Brahma vidya/universal oneness/consciousness with silly cheap ideas that have no merit beyond fantasy and make-believe.

Anyway, again, this is a circular conversation as in my case I am not in support one way or another regardless if the cult is bhakti, shakti, yoga or tantra. In many ways, it's a composite of all those, as that was largely the intent and hopeful appeal of those who worked to create the cult motifs: How can we amalgamate as much as possible to appeal to as broad a range as possible? Hence, even in the Butler variant of the cult, there's a strong promotion of Jesus and turning the rhetoric of hare Krishna to Christian theology even when there is zero relation (actually there is some correlation in as much as devotional sects did arise in India much the same time Christianity was making the rounds—but it's core evolution was likely more in response to archaic and harsh Brahmanical rule). In the PI school, one of the top books we distributed was a Life Force Jesus pamphlet, and we were forced to memorize tons of bible verses to convince and preach to Catholics effectively.

If god is one and all religions worship the same god, why preach and make attempts to convince others that your specific Indian god variant is the golden ticket? Ultimately it's a hypocrisy and disingenuous ideology. You do not see hare Krishnas chanting Allah Ra Ra, Allah ra ra... because they absolutely do not believe that all ideas of god, names of god, or rituals are ultimately as beneficial to spiritual progress as their sect. That is literally the definition of a cult. Ours is the only real deal. If you do not follow us, you will go to hell and never achieve love of god. Worship our guru, believe in our stories, and give money to our organization. All other efforts are futile and you should reject anyone who opposes it. Even in their own temples theya re fighting like cats and dogs about this shit. There is literally no single gaudiya group that equally accepts that another gaudiya group is equal or the same as theirs. Cults within cults within cults.

There is no escape, but you can certainly...

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Birds of a feather fuck off together...

https://www.mediamatters.org/tulsi-gabbard/conspiracy-theory-filmmaker-who-was-behind-viral-covid-misinformation-film-says-hes

I recall Tulsi Gabbard's Father, Mike Gabard, AKA Krishna Katha Das (brother of the recently murdered aunt of Tulsi Gabbard, Caroline Sinavaiana-Gabbard, who was very outspoken about the cult and Tulsi's political ambitions that she traced back to Chris Butler, AKA, Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa), sending anti-gay propaganda films to us boys to watch in the Philippines. 9-20 year olds were forced to watch homosexuals having sex and dying of AIDS.

Looks like Siddhaswarupananda's top disciple, Tulsi Gabbard, is following her Gurudevs order and in her father's footsteps ready to spread misinformation and propaganda hitler-stylee with the best conspiracy filmammekr in the biz.

A league of mindless cult followers, other hare Krishna mind-numbed cults, and any douche with a pea-brain will be encouraged to gobble it up like a shit-dipped donut. I'm sorry, Maha Prashad.

It also appears that Tulsi is placating devotees by calling her version of the MAGA campaign "MAHA: (Make America Harekrishna All-the-way).

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> The peaceful monks are at it...
>
> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/violent-clash-between-monks-at-iskcon-temple-sparks-police-investigation-in-patna/articleshow/114099346.cms
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Historical incident of the departure of one of the leaders of SIF Philippines (around 2000):

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Not knowing who they were dealing with, more than thirty of my godbrothers/godsisters (in 4 vehicle vans), some enraged with anger, went to the Gaudiya Vaishnava center where I was staying to give me your letter and the official Chaitanya Mission open letter for Shrila Narayana Maharaja, which was filled with many false suppositions, and which was highly offensive to such an exalted vaisnava. In the name of attempting to point out that Srila Narayana Maharaja and his followers were being offenders, they themselves were entering into the dangerous area of vaisnava ninda. They also dealt with the devotees very impolitely.

From: [forum.bhaktijoga.pl]


corboy Wrote:
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> Yogic practices were and are associated with these
> unitive goals:
>
> * Escaping Moksha and merging with the godhead
>
> Gaudiya Vaishnava is a bhakti sect. It is not a
> yogic sect.
>
> Prabhupada or some other bhakta guru said,
> , "I want to taste sugar, not become
> sugar."
>
> The ultimate goal in bhakti is not to
> unite/unitively merge with the godhead but to
> perfect oneself as a devotee, remaining forever in
> a ecstatic but dualistic relatioship with the god.

Supposedly, historically the first traces of mystical yoga are not attributed to the Aryans (Indo-Europeans) but to the Dravidians (Dasas?).

Taste sugar? Become sugar? It was more precise to serve sugar... Or maybe even more precise.

RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> If god is one and all religions worship the same
> god, why preach and make attempts to convince
> others that your specific Indian god variant is
> the golden ticket? Ultimately it's a hypocrisy and
> disingenuous ideology. You do not see hare
> Krishnas chanting Allah Ra Ra, Allah ra ra...
> because they absolutely do not believe that all
> ideas of god, names of god, or rituals are
> ultimately as beneficial to spiritual progress as
> their sect. That is literally the definition of a
> cult. Ours is the only real deal. If you do not
> follow us, you will go to hell and never achieve
> love of god. Worship our guru, believe in our
> stories, and give money to our organization. All
> other efforts are futile and you should reject


BG 10.41: Whatever you see as beautiful, glorious, or powerful, know it to spring from but a spark of My splendor.

The question of the color of Krishna is interesting. Some say: blue. Blue in the shade of a storm cloud. Others say - no, black with golden sparks. And so on. In turn, other interpretations - Krishna - Krishen - small child. No parakiya rasa. No kamanuga, sambandha only...



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Interesting...

https://paulschwartz181.substack.com/p/book-review-the-unpersuadables

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