It was never really the mission of that site to counter or neutralize the influence of DM and the JCs, anyway. It's always been more or less an online support group, a hospital of sorts. It's not a cult-education or countercult site.



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Watching the xJC forum over the past few days I am gobsmacked to see entire articles written by Davejc justifying his worldview, lifted by Davejc and Denise from the JC forum and repasted to the xJC forum.

It really is sickening.

Almost every thread has been taken over by McKay and his propaganda.

It is fast becoming a reborn JCs forum.

It's almost as if he's trying to use the xjcs site to attract new victims/followers.

Every article he posts should be removed immediately.



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Watching the xJC forum over the past few days I am gobsmacked to see entire articles written by Davejc justifying his worldview, lifted by Davejc and Denise from the JC forum and repasted to the xJC forum.

It really is sickening.

Almost every thread has been taken over by McKay and his propaganda.

It is fast becoming a reborn JCs forum.

It's almost as if he's trying to use the xjcs site to attract new victims/followers.

Every article he posts should be removed immediately.

Nick is very hands-off with it. He won't ban them unless things get far out of hand. Problem is, by that time DM's already done the damage.

Nobody there is going to stand up to DM in any kind of very substantial way.



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'It's always been more or less an online support group, a hospital of sorts.'

Yes, maybe. But even hospitals make an effort to keep out those who put you in the hospital in the first place and decent support groups establish boundaries to ensure that the attendees get support, not further victimisation.

One of the reasons that people are susceptible to the wiles of cult recruiters is having too open or too flexible boundaries. Cult recruiters use that to their advantage to weasel in and take control.
As we are seeing.

I notice that there are no direct answers being given by Davejc and his sock puppets to any of the many legitimate questions being put to him on the xJC site.
Instead he uses his posts to present his propaganda and worldview once again, while providing no hard information at all.

If there is nothing in the way of real information or answers to be had from Davejc and his sock puppets, what exactly is the purpose of the xJC's giving him yet another platform--and an unrestricted one at that---- on which to proselytise for his cult?

Its not grammar usage or Davejc's disdain they should be worrying about, its his motive and purpose for being there when he is neither answering legitimate questions nor giving reliable information.

He is not about to be softened in any way by a gentle welcome after a lifetime of manipulating young people into surrendering their body parts and independence to his control.

His purpose is control and he is doing that now on the xJC site, with not a murmur of dissent from those who are responsible for the site.



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So they enter into some kind of "dialog" with DM. Then what? What does that accomplish?

All that will happen (now that they've showed up), is they will have a competition on who can cut and paste the most, and write ten sentences over and over, analyzing the one sentence the other one wrote, into infinity.

I think face to face contact or one on one private correspondence is probably the only way that ex-members could possibly hope to have an influence on existing members.

It's only a matter of time until those two have the XJC forum eating out of the palms of their hands. Nobody there is willing or able to stand up and tell him NO.

His presense on the forum serves absolutely no purprose. He's certainly not there to ''reconcile'' with his son.

He's there to pepper the forum with his propaganda. He hasn't addressed any of the issues which have been raised.

Notice how he arrived with such a soft approach. It didn't take long until he was trying to control and manipulate the forum.

Expect to see the forum overrun with new members over the next few days, all spouting the same bollocks in defense of McKay.

It's all about control, and nothing about dialog with him. They do not seem to realize it.

If Nick does not ban them and put a stop to their madness, then he's making a big mistake.

This forum may be something of an enemy to the XJC club, but at least RR moderates it well.

"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM."----written by L Ron Hubbard, a man who obviously understood this dynamic and one whose methods, I don't doubt, Davejc has also studied minutely.

Here you go, xJC's, from the horses mouth, Technique 88 in the Co$ handbook for running a cult. Read it and weep:

[www.skeptictank.org]

'THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them. When you find an individual is lying to you, you know that the individual is trying to control you. One way or another this individual is trying to control you. That is the mechanism of control. This individual is lying to you because he is trying to control you - because if they give you enough misinformation they will pull you down the tone scale so that they can control you. Conversely, if you see an impulse on the part of a human being to control you, you know very well that that human being is lying to you. Not "is going to", but "is" lying to you.'



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Here's another:

From "A Manual on the Dissemination of Material" (first published in "Ability, the Magazine of DIANETICS and SCIENTOLOGY", 1955)

"The purpose of [a lawsuit] is to harass and discourage rather than to win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly."