this softer punishment for pedo's is sickening and should be cause for people to avoid him.why does he feel sympathy for the dirtiest perverts that most society rejects?whats his interest in the protection of them?did some COG rub off on him?sick.thinking of young men being sucked in to his cult gives us more reason to feel concern if he brags he is soft on pedos. how soft? let them do shit to kids and look the other way? let them escape the law unless he comes under the glare of police? creepy up the line.i would vote to whip a pedo before some poor man who wanted some religious books.

...pretended to be a distraught mother in a letter to a cult-buster in the U.K. many years ago. Not a lie as such.....

Oh... YES IT IS!....the use of a euphemism(the "softened expression" deception)by Mckay to somehow justify to himself that he is "guiltess" indicates precisely how insane he has become.....

...bigpigweed asks:

i know the mod posted that the cult is still in operation. can we hear more about that from anyone? some here take the position the cult is finished, others think this is all mackay craziness. im interested in getting opinions of what people think but i'd also like to know what prove there is that can be consider trust worthy.

Dear bigpigweed,

I feel that there is no completely definitive evidence to date, however the fact that McKay is doing little other than talking to himself on his forum (which states that it has not been "updated" since the 3rd November), that the (former)JC's proletariat have posted on the UKlisteners youtube site, apparently independently (but of course to date, still largely only "parroting" what David taught them), McKay's "dick weak" response to Alex's enquiry, among other things, suspiciously suggests that there has been a "collapse" of the command structure in the JC's with McKay relegated to the role of "historical patriach" with very little input into the day to day operations of the cult he formerly ruled over.....they haven't quite abandoned him yet (in the sense that his "ideas" live on in what they consider to be "God's will")....but are likely to ultimately "grow" to the point where they freely disregard his directions...AND his teachings!

I would consider this, if not quite a "graduation" then at the very least a solid step towards "graduating" from McKay......

To whom it may concern:

There have been repeated complaints about alleged harassment through the private messaging system.

There is a simple solution.

If you don't like the private messages you have received, ignore them and don't respond.

No one is under any obligation to respond and/or even acknowledge private messages.

You can opt to only discuss topics openly and publicly on this message board.

When JCs like Joe Johnson begin communicating with their families and personally visiting with them alone without another JC, you will know that this group is really unraveling and/or over.

Until you hear such positive and definitive information from affected families, look upon whatever is happening as a change of strategy dictated by Dave McKay.

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When JCs like Joe Johnson begin communicating with their families and personally visiting with them alone without another JC, you will know that this group is really unraveling and/or over.

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Some very sound advice from Corboy there...


When JCs like Joe Johnson begin communicating with their families and personally visiting with them alone without another JC, you will know that this group is really unraveling and/or over.

Until you hear such positive and definitive information from affected families, look upon whatever is happening as a change of strategy dictated by Dave McKay.

- Moderator


I would definitely agree with the Moderator, that what he has described would be definitive evidence of the JC's effectively "unravelling" and it is what we should be looking for in making any "judgements"...my only observation would be that before the JC's definitely "unravel", there will be a slower and less discernible process of a "loss of dependence" upon him....we may possibly be seeing that now....it is difficult to "unravel" yourself, all at once, from a lifestyle committment, which has occupied years of your life....

re the pm system;
generally it can help if you explain clearly to someone that you do not wish to receive pms from them. ( But golden rule; if you don't want them pm ing you, also remember you should not pm them!) after that if someone continues to pm you, then they are choosing to harass you.
if you can, just ignore pms after that and delete them unread. if that gets too frustrating, then simply let the pms fill up .The system can't hold that many, and after that you have effectively turned the pm system off. No one can then PM you, and they have to communicate on the board.
Not perfect, but why deal with a system that is producing that much frustration? and you can always clear out the messages a bit to have a conversation with someone friendly if you so wish.
just another way that might help some, of dealing with the situation.
edit; just read your post Malcolm, and I think that both you and RRmoderator have a point. There may be a gradually increasing independence going on, and as you say for many people who leave high demand religious groups, gradual questioning and change can be more typical than a sudden change of belief system.
it would be great though to hear of those families that have been seperated from each other interacting together, and Joes' family must surely wish to see him after the surgery. Hopefully he has support and help available during his recovery period.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/15/2010 01:05AM by yasmin.

I realize that David was playing for our (and the world's) sympathy with his remarks about the onset of the loss of his "faculties" due to his advanced years...yet, that increasingly glazed expression, thinning hair, loss of stature and ever thicker lenses, tells us all however that there must be at least a little truth to his claims....operative procedures may, one day also become necessary, for his heart murmur, if not any of the other pressing chronic illnesses of his, perhaps requiring the last of the JC's to see him safely off into a reputable care facility suitable for someone of David's history....

I wonder if the last few individual JC's apparently still in touch with David, have ever heard of the "Lower Tidmarsh Volunteer Hospital Service....[www.youtube.com]

Malcolm:

McKay's victims/followers don't have any responsibility for his future care. This would be up to his wife and adult children to handle.

My guess is that McKay will hang on to his followers and as long he can, which may be within days of his death.

In my experience "cult leaders" feed on the followers to sustain their sense of self-importance and self-worth. It is probably the furthest thing from McKay's mind to let anyone go willingly. He will likely clutch on to them tightly until his last breath.