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7 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, tomorrow is Mother's Day. In the Living > Word churches, this is the day that some of the > worst sheep-beaters get honored. A good way to honor it would be to berate a few unsubmissive ministries before the congregation.
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7 years ago
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No, Paleface--I suspect it is quite common for anyone that was immersed in TLWF. It's definitely been the case with me. The mind control tactics used to subject us over the years have been sophisticated and insidious...leaving a conditioning not easy to shake. paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I’ve been wondering if anyone else has
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7 years ago
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I've spent close to 30 years trying to prevent my old nature from horning into my most meaningful relationships, to little effect.
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7 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Or... > > You never bring friends to church with you because > you are embarrassed by how weird the church is. Ha--I had a friend who brought a shy, Christian co-worker to a church service during the height of the 'violent' intercession phase. He placed him at the front of congregation...the
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7 years ago
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jhorning Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > larry bobo wrote: "It reminded me of Francis > Frangipane going to John and then Apco about > John’s inappropriate relationship with Marilyn > while still married to Martha, and then finding > himself removed from the fellowship for > questioning “God”. > > My reply: WHAT? This is the
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7 years ago
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larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Jesus did not teach > that our parents were to take the place of God, > but that we were to honor them. He actually said > to call no man father – you have one father and > he is in heaven. John S. talked with my kids > about being their father since I was unqualified. > I really had no idea
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7 years ago
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Invisible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Dan and > I spoke together many years later, he was torn, > he was a broken man , he was grieving, he was all > alone in life, he was in the midst of great sorrow > and devastation - having had the ministry separate > him and his wife - and he was divorced. He was > filled with tears when he told
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7 years ago
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Nicely put, Invisible. I was close to Dan, up to the point he was ostracized in the fellowship. Even after submitting to some of the crazy things he put me through, I saw his heart, and knew that he cared about me. I wish there had been a functional check and balance on the decisions emanating from G & M, that but was not to be. It simply would not be tolerated, which I suspect...in spite o
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7 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So let me get this right. Your spouse was given a > "word" to divorce you? That's a lose-lose > situation. If you follow the word, it leads to > sin and personal torment and heartbreak. If you > rebel against the word, you risk being shunned and > isolated from your other family me
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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Came across this insightful response today: "If the leaders really are framing Marilyn's illness as a case of transference / witchcraft from people who have left, they are just encouraging another round of false intercession against their enemies. When the sheep get the message they will attach faces and names according to their concepts and they will begin praying against those p
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7 years ago
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I was close to Bob the last few years of his life--when we were both members of the South Gate church. I knew the tax burden ($140,000 or so, if I recall) he was under, and the alienation he felt from G & M. I did what I could to not add to the mental/emotional toll it took on him. I was placed for a time over the worship schedule in SG, and always allowed time for him, on weekends, to drive
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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My allergies are acting up this morning, and I blame everyone in this forum. You will be held accountable--if not in this life, the next.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > <I'm hearing that the LW members are being told > that Marilyn is under a vicious attack of hatred > from ex-members and this is why she is ill.> Here's another response, via email, to the idea that Marilyn's illness was caused by hating ex-members. It comes from a former, long-time
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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<I'm hearing that the LW members are being told that Marilyn is under a vicious attack of hatred from ex-members and this is why she is ill.> No surprise--the perpetrators often position themselves as victims. I think if she and Gary had just been a bit more kind and respectful in their treatment of people through the years, many who sacrificed the greater the better part of thei
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7 years ago
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I plan to read this list out loud today...to whomever is willing to listen. I do not plan to provide any explanation of what this list is about.
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7 years ago
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Put the petty, vindictive nature aside for a moment Gary--and do the right thing. Give Miller his pension. He earned it. It's rightfully his.
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7 years ago
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This Pope has been there and knows ------- almost > too good to be true. That's why it is baffling that Gary has chosen this Pope to be connected to. They seem to have opposite attitudes.
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7 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I’ve had recent conversations with people still > inside the Living Word Fellowship and it strikes > me just how much they are under a “spell”. A > spell that seems to cause them to turn off their > internal voice of reason. Their internal voice of > conscience and to some degree, their sense of
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7 years ago
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The leaders, with their warped perception of God, have hijacked people's minds and hearts...so, unfortunately, any form of heinous behavior can be considered acceptable. The "spell" is very powerful. I experienced and witnessed the coercive tendencies of leadership. A personal example that comes to mind was an incident back in '84, when Gary was commissioning the new Redlan
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7 years ago
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My mother died of cancer--my father of complications related to diabetes. My only brother, a drug abuser, disappeared in the streets when he was 40 (around 1990). An exhaustive search turned up nothing. And one of my closest shepherd-friends (John Mahon, from my time in Redlands) died in his mid-30's of brain cancer--a few years after he was dismissed from the fellowship for objecting to th
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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Invisible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I remember how when one member died an early death > - not suicide - his heart just gave out - I > remember how the leader of the church , took a > position at that man's memorial service to > carrying on emotionally voicing how angry and > upset he was with this man who died , for not
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7 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Larry, there actually are a few dead bodies in the > wake of the SS TLW. Several suicides from people > that felt they could never measure up to the > demands made by shepherds. I can't help but think > they would be alive today, if they hadn't been > exposed to the insane LW doctrines.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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Invisible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not long ago - In trying to contact an old friend > ( I had known for over 30 years ) I was told > through the grapevine not to contact that person > until I first had contact with the Shepherds in > the Valley Church and got there o.k. (I was also > told - It was a matter of protocol) So the
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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Invisible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Many of the shepherds were out > of town that Saturday - so I met in the upstairs > apartment across the street from the church with > the 2 elders that were left in charge of the > church. > > I sat in a chair facing the two of them. It was > quite casual - they asked me some simple questio
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It was a great, free and anointed time. (I had > hippie tendencies) > > How did it all go south??? Control freaks took over--and sucked the joy and spontaneity out of the fellowship. Many decent people ended up having 'bad spirits' as a result of attempting to survive in the new regime.
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7 years ago
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FCSLC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I went to the church camp in Chico, CA back in the > 1970’s. There were many crazy, diverse people > in the “Walk” in those days. It was fun. Interesting...do you remember if anyone was crying out for a designated relationship?
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7 years ago
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Invisible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It took me many years after I had left the church > to realize that we don't have to follow the lead > of some one who is leading us to do wrong. > Moses struck the rock in anger - instead of > speaking to the rock- as God told Moses to do - > and for this reason Moses was not allowed to
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8 years ago
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jhorning Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Where tlwf went wrong, in my opinion, was in > g/m proactive actions of splitting up married > couples. Playing God...poorly.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
8 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do you recall Jesus ever teaching about the "upward > flow principle" that Gary and Marilyn Hargrave teach? Matthew 19:21: Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to Gary and Marilyn, and you will have treasure in heaven."
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8 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The 90/10 rules is this: local shepherds are to > only spend 10% of their energy on the sheep, and > spend 90% of their energy ministering to the > "upward flow", i.e. Marilyn. If indeed 100% of the proceeds of the sale of the South Gate church went to Marilyn...that would be taking the upwa
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