kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As humorous as this discussion may get, I would > not be surprised if the G-man finds himself a > Brazilian honey to keep him company on nights when > he and M are not on speaking terms. There are > probably no viable candidates here in the U.S., as > it has become quite a jaded TLW environment. What
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larry bobo Wrote: > I just heard the third example of someone looking > for Marilyn’s input and blessing in their life > after she had died. None were in leadership, just > regular people. Obviously, there must be some > sort of teaching along these lines. Yes, I've heard Gary has been conferring with her, and she appears to have more spunk than ever in dictatin
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40yearsin2016 Wrote: > Thejewel: yes, the latest mash-up of politics and > religion is eerily familiar. I wonder who the LWF > is preaching for/against this time around - though > I can guess. Gary never hid from the congregation his disappointment at Obama being our president. Not sure what his stance is in this upcoming election, but it's a near certainty that he will
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What passed for discipline in TLWF, would be considered abuse by anyone of a sane, healthy mind. Think of what many of us endured, and what we witnessed others endure, when an authority figure decided to administer the "dealings of the Lord"-- social isolation, prolonged programs of menial labor, alcohol fueled 'counseling' sessions, demeaning 'living words' attempt
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hey, wow. 300 pages !!! Our group in now entering the third anointing. Time for comments that trigger signs and wonders.
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I was going to postulate that the Manson family had the right theology, they just became a victim of external corrupting influences....but I'm not sure if that is totally correct. I need to do a little more research. #ObedienceBringsOneness #NeverTooFanatical
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pbxguy Wrote: > jan w. lane, I'm in the same category as paleface. > I have loved ones who are the progeny of second > generationers in the Walk, TLW, CHK, whatever > moniker. They may come to their senses one day, > and I want there to be a lifeline that can soften > the transition, should they decide to make a > change. It can be a really rough transition at
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FCSLC Wrote: > Some scholars have suggested the idea of rank > comes to us from ancient ancestral observation: > > The Sun = God the Father > > The Moon = Jesus reflecting the light of the Sun > > The flow of light = The Holy Spirit > > ---------------- Interesting, FCSLC
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > During the G&M era, I never once remember hearing that they were being guided by > the ghost of JRS past. Neither did I, kBoy. What is the hierarchical chain of command, anyway? I was never allowed access to the new organizational chart. My guess: God the Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit, John, Marilyn, Gary, Ric
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Norman Bates's Mom was as close to him even after... nevermind Please disregard this comment.
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Anyone reading this forum that is still in TLWF...feel free to forward to either confirm or deny what I was told recently from what I consider to be a credible source--that Marilyn is challenging Gary to relate to her in the spirit, and that in effect, she is still calling the shots. Anonymity is respected here, BTW...even though many privately have identified themselves to other members.
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TheJewel Wrote: > I remember the people feeling that the > property was not really his to own since we had > all put our own labor and money into it. It > seemed that the courts agreed. If that was the case the bulk of the proceeds of the sale of many of the churches would have never have been placed under the control of a few leaders. Have others do the 'voluntary'
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BTW, I never experienced God in the Sky threatening me, only God in the Flesh. John lived on a spiritual plane I never got close to reaching.
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There are double-standards that must be > maintained, or "do as I say, not as I do." What's > 'good' for the sheep, the shepherds need only > 'consider'. Yeah--but I do recall God in the Sky dealing harshly with John...threatening to kill him, on occasion.
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TheJewel Wrote: > In a similar vain, I wonder how many of the books > in the JRS library covered techniques for "Cold > Reading". In one of my very early TLW services > there was a guy named Harold Williams from Brazil > who ministered to me and told me things that were > pretty impressive but the things that I remember > of it could have been things that
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TheSarge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My perspective was more that many of the > ministries seeing themselves as the gentry and the > little people were their serfs. Sad, really, that > there was a time that I found my self-respect in > step and fetching and never seeing any > reciprocity. So true, TheSarge. I have a completely d
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Is there anyone more tenacious in promoting Hargrave's ministry than Silas? God must be very proud of him! kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > January 30, 2016 — by Gary Hargrave > > "Today I had the honor of being a guest speaker at > the Monte Sião annual pastors’ breakfast > organized by Pastor Adilson Soares from Niterói.
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I wonder if the fourth anointing is the selling off of all church assets to the enrichment of a few. I guess I'm getting ahead of myself--sorry. Staying focused on the now has always been a challenge to me. Kingdom Now!
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"The Living Word Fellowship Blog dated January 17, 2016 says there’s a third anointing that will bring revival and fulfillment." Finally!
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > On March 26, 1982, while John was still alive, > “Hargrave Family Ministries” filed Articles of > Incorporation in the State of California, while > Gary was still married to Donna. What was the purpose of that?? Just another bold, strange move by a 'man of God'that no one dare question...lest they
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I didn't really expect Hargrave to take a step back. His whole walk history suggests that when faced with challenges, he steps up the intensity. The ultimate example, I think, is following John's death...when he decided at first to have the fellowship bombard with prayers demanding God bring him back, and then declared that his death defeated Satan, an amazing historical victory. I don
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Gary Hargrave has a blog > > > > And Marilyn Hargrave has a web page > > > > As does Gary Hargrave > > The PR firm is doing a good job, BTW.
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm no lawyer, but I think it is possible to have > both a will and a trust. Also, you don't have to > put everything in a trust. So for example, > Marilyn could have had jewelry she held back from > the trust and could have designated that it would > go to a person upon her death. I th
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TheSarge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Actually, she wouldn't have needed a will, I don't > think. She had a living trust, The Hargrave > Family Trust. All bank accounts, property titles, > stocks and bonds, everything would be put in the > name of the trust. Didn't Marilyn have a trust fund just in her name? Someone ment
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We all eventually got out, which is good. Kelly is obviously an excellent writer--an observant soul.
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I spent from 1976-1989 in the Redlands church...so, fortunately, I do not need to spend the $39 to discover how it turned out. Hint: not well
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Here's to the new fleet: > > > deos/1107129089312301/ The thing I liked most about this video was spotting the Wells Fargo sign toward the end. It just lifted me out of a funk. Thanks for sharing KBOY! p.s. If you come across any Cult Country Line Dancing vids, feel free to share.
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sarge - I hear the current party line at TLWF is > that "nothing has changed" regarding Gary's > leadership. I suspect Gary is winning any power > plays that may be going down. I don't think Rick > is interested in taking the helm of the pirate > ship. He'll just enjoy the
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Apostle Dog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wasn't it about 1963 when Marilyn was put over the > editing or whatever in Living Word? I think that > was about right. I know she supposedly had an > "abusive husband" but I also heard that her > husband's biggest offense was not having a real > revelation of John Robert St
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TheJewel Wrote: > In light of this, one thing I find amazing is the > Marylyn thing where TLW seems to come 180 degrees > from the original teaching in TLW of the woman > submitting to the man, the man being her covering, > etc. JRS must be rolling over in his grave ad a > rate of about 30 RPM with that. Cronquist must be > spinning at 1500 (in fact there must be occ
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