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7 years ago
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Ministries I knew that eventually had a falling out with G & M included Bob Franz, Dan Statton, Mike Shermerhorn, John Miller and Bob McClane. I was close with Bob the last few months of his life, and found out about his death when Gary announced it in a Valley service. After the announcement, Bob was labeled a spiritual failure--something I reacted to as grossly inappropriate. Perhaps it w
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7 years ago
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > paleface Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Here's an odd question: have any of you ever > been > > held or detained on Living Word property (or at > a > > communal home) against your will? Where you > > wanted to leave, but were n
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7 years ago
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Years into my extensive experience in TLWF, it became clear to me that any ministry that exhibited kindness and was primarily concerned about the welfare of those they ministered to, was doomed. Because that very nature would conflict with the requirement to minister "the cross"...which, in TLWF, often meant breaking people's will to the point they were malleable to the agenda of l
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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Perusing some of my old emails...here's an excerpt from one in 2008, written by a former member of TLWF (20 plus yrs of service): "In the immediate days after June 4th, you had about 2000 broken hearted people who just wanted to do anything to walk with God and please Him, and were ready to come together and take more responsibility to help carry out the vision John started.
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7 years ago
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Invisible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'd already been through a lot, had seen a lot > and ( the lot ) of what I was coming to realize > was forming with in me - and I said to myself, > with a plastic stemmed glass in hand, in having > to look up, " WHAT A FARCE ", . I drank to the > bride and the groom who I loved b
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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Do you think some of those threats were simply drummed up? I remember after Gary too over, he used to come to the some of the feast services surrounded by security. It was quite the distraction. I began to wonder if it was done to give him a greater sense of importance.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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No surprise--Gary has never been shy about taking a different direction if he thought John was 'off.' I witnessed this on many occasions.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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Does it still exist? Or has it been disbanded? Or simply displaced by the Maroons...
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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Maybe this is one of those things I intentionally blocked out of my memory banks because it seemed so nonsensical and pretentious, even by TLWF standards--not sure.
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7 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The inner cult is "the purples". (i.e. Marilyn's > army) Seriously? I've never heard of this. Why 'purples', BTW?
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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Invisible: "It is my view point that the ministry could have asked you and your wife if you would be willing to move to another location and if you and your wife agreed together and made a decision that you would be willing to relocate - that would have been O.K" Yes
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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make that: "every time someone"
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7 years ago
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jhorning Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When the leadership in the valley decided to send > my wife and I to Washington D.C.(1982;the > Dempsters were sent instead) my wife said "no" to > moving there. She told me and the cats at > comm-west she did not have a witness in her own > heart to move there. I try not to hear com
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can remember hearing Gary Hargrave say over the > pulpit many times that God had given man a free > will and He would never cross that free will up. > Then I got to wondering...."Gosh, why is it that > God will not cross our free wills, but the LW > pastors can?" Do they have more clo
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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lily rose Wrote: > So since Marilyn held the purse strings and > because of the heavy conditioning and the > training not to speak up, not to criticize, not to > question, even the heavy weight ministries were > unable to demand proof to hear the tape for > themselves? In reality, there have only been a couple 'heavy weight' ministries. The others, to one ext
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7 years ago
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From the Shiloh site, regarding what to expect from the SOP conference that begins Saturday: "This is our expectation for the School of Prophets Conference – that it will be a gathering of believers who want nothing more than to simply walk with God and from that humble place, a word of authority will be spoken that shakes this age."
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7 years ago
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I guess I'll finally have to watch Grease and form my own opinion. I suspect I will like Rizzo, channel or not.
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7 years ago
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I think I've mentioned this before...the fact that even if it is somehow proven that John Miller is a channel of Satan, he still is a decent human being. I'm pretty dogmatic about that...so don't bother trying to change my mind!
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7 years ago
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lily rose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That must be a blessed assurance for the > Gospodnetichs that is to say that G&M probably > won't excommunicate them. I want to say something > about the the inner circle..... You're not going to reveal that I was never in it, are you? :)
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7 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > John and Lucy help lead the Oahu LW church. I hear they bought Gary and > Marilyn their first swank house on Diamond Head. I hope members of the fellowship aren't being lured into providing free labor to maintain this house, as part of the upward flow.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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Gary has always been about division, rejection and intimidation. For him to continue bringing messages on oneness is beyond hypocritical. Every day I am thankful that I am no longer subjected to that "ministry."
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7 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That is an interesting phone call you got. > Unfortunately, orders for couples to divorce > happens often. I've heard from Walk leaders that > the theory behind this is this: If a couple are > looking like they might leave the fellowship > together, it is best to split them up if there is &
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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The alcoholism I'm referencing was celebrated. If anything, there was an undue tolerance among those receiving bizarre ministry from the inebriated...people fearful of being labeled self-righteous or religious. I liken the situation to a question of professional competence...yes, some are fine doing difficult tasks while intoxicated, others greatly impaired. I would prefer people's li
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7 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've noticed lately that the Living Word > Fellowship has gone silent and in-ward. Active > members have stopped talking to non-members as > much. There must be a general gag order in place. I wouldn't be surprised. Also, the ouster of someone as well-liked and respected as John Miller proba
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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A friend and former long-time member of TLWF weighs in via email: "So you slaughter people for 20 years and then you start preaching oneness and how bad division is. It's like slaughtering the Indians and keeping people under slavery for 300 years and then saying, "Okay now let bygones be bygones. It's all good now -- nobody can bring up the past."
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7 years ago
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lily rose Wrote: > I know, but many of us gave a blind trust to John > Steven's teachings. One aspect of John's teaching that eventually led to widespread abuse of congregants was his insistence that even if a leader is wrong, God would honor the flock for their obedience. That, in effect, led to reckless behavior by 'ministries'--damaging many who had placed thei
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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On a positive note, my experience in TLWF did give me an understanding of how sociopaths function, and the importance of distancing myself from them at all costs. A very expensive and exceedingly time-consuming lesson...but I eventually did learn it.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "laughable". Maybe not so laughable when you > discover just how emotionally damaging it is. > Sad. : ) Yes, I agree. In my case, the ramifications of 21 years of constant exposure to a highly toxic/controlling culture. I suspect some of those posting on this forum have had even more years of
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
7 years ago
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lily rose <I often wondered how I ended up in an aberrant authoritative movement? This site is helping me sort it out.> That's good to know, Lily Rose. Welcome! the social dynamics: "While the fellowship is filled with many quality professionals, they are all treated like two-year olds who must have their will crossed and who are incapable of making even the most minor d
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7 years ago
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There are many compromised > spines in the LW fellowship. Gary would never have allowed it--but a functioning, independent system of check and balances in the fellowship would have spared people of so much unnecessary suffering and missteps through the years. Meanwhile, Gary emphasizes "oneness" in hi
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