The Hargraves really have been superb through the years of spinning truth--getting people to believe what they want them to believe, while simultaneously covering their own misdeeds...some bordering on criminal (I'm playing it safe here). I've directly experienced some of this, and have witnessed people I respected and felt close to--get pummeled in the fellowship, based on on calculat
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kBOY Wrote: > There was an immediate damage-control campaign > initiated to spin his exit otherwise. Does Shiloh University offer a degree in damage-control? If there is one thing TLWF should be qualified to teach--it's this.
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LampShmamp Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Changedagain, just for clarity, do you believe > John Miller is a nephilim? I am referring to your > remark that for unknown reasons Miller sits at the > head of the Nephilim table. Or was your comment > perhaps an outlet for latent animosity towards > him? Just curious. Hi LS-- I was bein
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pbxguy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The thing I'm still having a pickle of a time > wrapping my head around (tongue firmly planted in > cheek); Nearly all the people I know who are still > in the Walk are doing something-or-other for > Christmas, something that would have earned them a > seat at the head of the 'Nephilim'
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Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tree! Thy leaves are so unchanging Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tree, Thy leaves are so unchanging Not only green when summer's here, But also when it's cold and drear. Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tree, Thy leaves are so unchanging! Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tree, Such pleasure do you bring me! Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tr
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kBOY Wrote: > The mediating force of the ‘holy trinity’ > has left the scene, leaving only a > party of two with conflicting agendas. Yes, it's difficult to envision Rick and Gary amicably sharing power. Would either one willingly submit their ways to the other? Doubtful. p.s. Merry Christmas
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pbxguy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > respectfully, Changed, I think there is also an > over-emphasis on finding a scriptural > justification for divorce. > > All too often, good people stay in terrible > marriages, or marriages that have simply devolved > into unhealthy relationships because they cannot > find a 'scriptural
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<Most of us have felt the rage if we questioned anything – it was about control, not about the truth or a real relationship> So true, Larry. That was the turning point for my wife, who was more committed to the fellowship prior to us leaving than I was. She questioned Gary's treatment of Dan Statton, and enraged, Gary threatened to punch her. He followed up this threat with recoun
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kBOY Wrote: > Many church-exits led to relationship-splits that ended > in ‘crash & burns’, some quite ugly, which is > why great care must be taken if you value your > marriage. So much emphasis in TLWF concerning the danger of the 'unequal yoke'...with an acceptance from the leadership of the break-up of long term marriages simply because one partner has a
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Wise advice... kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > UnAp: > > This is very sensitive ground in which much care > need be taken. If you value the relationship with > your wife over her own stepping back, you may have > to accept the fact that this may be your decision > but may never be hers. The best way to approach > this
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I'm not going to be the one responsible for bringing judgement upon the Xmas truck, and possibly depriving Denzel Washington of a Merry Christmas. That burden will not rest upon me!
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We made a semi-public display of the disposal of > our TLW material, which upset a few of the > faithful who happened to catch wind. They > actually dumpster-dove to retrieve some of the > 'treasures'. Yeah, I retrieved the book 'The Shape of Things to Come'--which contains the visio
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I sent my copy to Al Gore. I have no idea why I did this.
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AD, CA, LR, SLC, LB, S, LS, kB, PB and all of you other posters and readers. Blessings and peace to you all this Christmas time. pbxguy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > don't forget me!! PB Also, although he/she hasn't participated in this forum, a very merry Christmas to LampfromIkea (LFI)...wherever you are,.
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kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How about GH, MH, RH? ha--yes
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > AD, CA, LR, SLC, LB, S, LS, kB and all of you > other posters and readers. Blessings and peace > to you all this Christmas time. You too, PF! p.s. I'm glad we don't have a contributor here with the initials DR...or LWF
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Craig Haworth is the pastor. Perhaps looking for a fresh start, distancing themselves from the baggage of Shiloh. paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A new LW church in Iowa City. Looks like an > atempt to sanitize their outreach into Iowa City, > with little or no obvious references to Shiloh. > >
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Yes, so true. larry bobo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Our trance-like worship produced very > little actual fruit of the Spirit and probably did > more to serve as an atmosphere for hypnosis to get > us to believe the strange and bizarre and bypass > our our mental faculties.
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Paleface: > > For me, with the whole DR crap, I really got > tired > > to trying to be God to someone, and direct > their > > life. Or make them do something they didn't > want > > to do. It was wrong! wrong! wrong! It also would have been nice if the DR's had some level of competence in areas they chose to assume control over. Too often vulner
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You just violated my pure atmosphere, kBOY. I have no choice but to shun you FOR LIFE!!!!!!
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TheSarge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Eventually the route > was made to accommodate celebrities like Denzel > Washington. The truck would stay in front of his > house upwards to 15 minutes. No was allowed to > talk to him except who Rick said could. If I was given permission: MERRY CHRISTMAS, DENZEL! I'VE WATCHED 'GLORY&#
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I have no plans of being involved with another church as well. Even if Denzel Washington called me up and insisted I do it--I doubt I would be swayed. Maybe if Harrison Ford, Clint Eastwood, Ryan Gosling, Jenny Lewis and Bill Murray all called on the same day insisting I do it...I might give it some thought.
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Thanks for sharing your experiences/background with the group, Sarge.
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> She talked of the traditions that their little > idea sparked. That's the source of the confusion. I read this sentence as though 'their' was referring to Rick and Lorena, rather than Rick and others (not mentioned).
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Thanks for sharing this account. TheSarge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In reading Lorena's quote, to be fair, she didn't > say she helped create the Christmas truck. The > musicians were sitting around, getting drunk, > thinking about JRS, and went out. No planning, no > thinking of anything in ministering to the > neigh
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As long as it was not John's first wife that came up with the idea for the Christmas truck, I am fine with it. I'm pretty flexible these days! kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As this forum has continually demonstrated, > spinning and re-spinning falsehoods is part of the > modus operandi of TLW, and keeps the people on the > r
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paleface Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wasn't Lorena about 2 years old in 1984? Which makes it even more remarkable she helped come up with the idea for the truck.
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So Rick and Lorena conceived of the idea back in '84? latimes: "Lorena told me about the first time Rick put together the pickup. She recalled 31 years of friends who come out to show the Holbrooks their new babies or to deliver the news of neighbors who had passed throughout the year. She talked of the traditions that their little idea sparked, and how each of us might spread
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This might be a little bit of topic...but does anyone know how many lights are on the Christmas truck? Does it vary year to year? Please respond as soon as possible--I need an answer to this one.
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Glassdoor compiled its list of the 50 best companies in America to work for in 2016. I haven't checked out the complete list as yet. My main curiosity is to see whether any sawmills in Iowa made the cut (no pun intended).
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