Yeah, Gary, I seek understanding and clarity as well. Like what in the f@#k was I thinking, getting sucked into a destructive cult like the Walk.

It's been so long since I attended a TLWF/Walk service that I've forgotten what the two realms refer to. The material and the spiritual? The earthly and the heavenly? The delusional and the more delusional?
Maybe it is a good thing I've forgotten some of these teachings.

p.s. With the one year anniversary of Marilyn's passing, it's now obvious that Gary is constructing a myth about the supposed importance of her ministry. I hope no new people get sucked into this nonsense.

p.p.s. Happy Halloween!

40yearsin2016 Wrote:
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> kBOY Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > HEADBANGER NEWS: Do As I Say, Not As I
> > Do
> >
> > "Marilyn--The Woman Behind The Word"
> > October 20, 2016
> >
> >
> [www.garyandmarilynhargrave.com]
>
> > lyn-the-woman-behind-the-word/
> >
> > ". . . we should be inspired and encouraged by
> the
> > amazing legacy Marilyn leaves behind . . ."
> > (Which includes the carnage and
> collateral
> > damage.)
> >
> > "The choices she made in serving the Lord have
> had
> > far-reaching effects." (Which includes
> the
> > carnage and collateral damage.)
> >
> > "Her love and faith touched thousands of people
> > (as did the damage she inflicted upon so
> > many)."
> >
> > "Marilyn . . . made us a family."
> > (Unnecessarily dysfunctional)
> >
> > "Marilyn had a mother's heart for God's people."
>
> > (As long as you did what you were
> > told.)
> >
> > "If she ever ministered to you, you know her
> > ministry was personal (and could inflict
> > tremendous damage)."
> >
> > "The best way for us to honor such a woman of
> God
> > is to walk with the Lord the way she did."
> > (No thank you.)
> >
> > "(With) Marilyn's passing . . . now is the time
> > for us to mature." (FINALLY!?)
> >
> > "Today . . . we imitate her faith." (No
> > thank you.)
>
> What a load of xxxx. After listening to weeks of
> election nonsense, I couldn't let this one pass.
>
> Marlilyn Stevens Hargrave was a selfish
> manipulating piece of work. I personally witnessed
> her twist and destroy people's lives to enrich her
> own postion (there are many, many stories here on
> this forum). Gary was along for the ride.
>
> Anything good that John Stevens left behind (and
> that whole thing is debatable), she hijacked for
> her own selfish purposes. As for being a "Mother",
> a mother does not eat her own young. Her legacy
> is a history of destroyed lives.
>
> Let's be crystal clear, there's NOTHING here to
> honor or imitate. Its a total abomination to
> suggest this woman was some sort of saint...

Cheers--and she got away with it---it being much more sordid than most could imagine. Thanks 2016

kBOY Wrote:
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> LR:
>
> After being assigned to the bullpen in favor of a
> new "starting rotation"
> (Hargrave/Miller/Finney/Lindy) of the mid-late
> '70's (at least at Shiloh), this is what became of
> "Elijah" post TLW:
>
> http://www.rdonattorneyatlaw.com/attorney-profi
> les
>
> P.S. His bullpen-mate at that time also happened
> to include Peter Whitney.


Holy crap is that the Don Latzer we all knew way back when? Pictures?

Cloudwatcher Wrote:
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> > Her legacy is a history of destroyed lives.
> > Let's be crystal clear, there's NOTHING here to
> > honor or imitate. Its a total abomination to
> > suggest this woman was some sort of saint...

It will be interesting to see how the story develops. I suspect Gary will not be satisfied until people regard her as being on par with Mary, mother of Jesus.

Interesting. "Mariolatry" is a Protestant pejorative for perceived excessive Catholic devotion to Mary. (Wikipedia)

As I recall, John frowned on the worship of Mary citing countries like Mexico, that really get into Mariolatry, were doomed. I wonder, would John frown on Gary's push for "Marilynolatry?"


Cloudwatcher: I think kBoy's research on Don (where are they now?) is accurate. I goggled info on when and where he got his law degree and it matched what I remember.

puddington: I just might quote you,"What the funk was I thinking when I got sucked into a destructive cult called the Walk?" as the title for my forthcoming book. Stay tuned.....

HEADBANGER NEWS: The End of End-All, Be-All

"Connecting with Pastor Omar Pinto and Iglesia de Dios"
November 2, 2016

[www.churchofthelivingword.com]

"As our congregations come together, God is imparting spiritual gifts between us that are bringing cross-pollination and a fruitfulness that neither congregation could experience without the other."

Finally an open admission that TLW is no longer solely spearheading the coming of the Kingdom.

Did you catch that? TLWF has failed to really be the remnant to establish a man-made Kingdom all in the name of God. This truth has been a long time coming but didn't John once say if I'm carried out on a stretcher, this thing is false? My only question, if Pastor Pinto and Gary have formed a unity in apostasy, then who's in charge?

This development is quite interesting. Gary may have to take a secondary role in order to get this unity thing happening.
Pastor Omar Pinto and Assistant Pastor Gary Hargrave?

I was listening to Adele and thought how her songs seem to describe the cult experience. "Rolling in the deep, you had my heart and soul and then you played it." And I remember 2016 once brought up the lyrics from Hello. "Hello from the inside. I'm sorry for breaking your heart. Hello from the outside."

As I look at TLWF from the outside, I wonder aren't the members disenchanted with the inability to deliver on its promises. Aren't they disillusioned with the hypocrisy of the leaders and troubled but unable to discuss doubts and concerns with anyone. But then I realize quite often cult members cannot even identify or understand their feelings having been so controlled and manipulated for so long by dictatorial leaders. Even if you don't believe in hypnosis or mind control, you must be able to see the effect caused by TLWF. There must be something wrong with the way TLWF treats people using coercive persuasion and group control.

While on the inside, I gave some Oscar worthy performances of pretending to be dedicated to John's Living Word prior to exiting. I recall expressing some discontent to an elder and of course his response was the party line, "God placed you here." Like a human being who had lost my autonomy, I automatically accepted what he said as being true. Years later from the outside, I realize that wasn't true. God never placed me in the Walk. I put myself there. God had nothing to do with it.

There is a way out of TLWF and once you are out the experience is like being set free from a prison. You find great pleasure in simple things and being in charge of the daily events of life becomes precious to you.