QuoteboonetahoeOkay, perhaps your and my definition of "blanket statements" is grossly different. Unfortunately, I can't go into the data, method, etc. without exposing my identity (and I'd rather not do that given the topic, ie. Impact.) Let's just say that my approach was considerably more scientific and with a much larger base of respondants than yours. Ta
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QuoteboonetahoeYes, I have in fact polled large numbers of former graduates. And, the majority of trainees asked said that they were enjoying great value from the training (and this was years later.) Have you measured your assertion that trainees have NOT experienced value? By your standard, isn't it possible that YOU are being irresponsible with your posts. (Or, is it only "i
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QuoteboonetahoeThat certainly happens a lot. But, you and I have both seen people go ten years first. I'm calling BS on this statement. Maybe you've seen one year. Unfortunately the pattern of dishonesty in your posts makes it impossible to take anything that you say at face value. I am 100% certain that you have never seen a divided family come together for 10 years before gettin
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Boonetahoe, I would like to address a few assertions that you have made in prior posts: 1. You have stated that you are maintaining an objective perspective and yet you have seemingly rationalized numerous incongruities in your beliefs and you have exhibited the LGAT tendency to make broad unbelievable statements without providing any kind of credible reason to believe you. For exampl
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Quoteboonetahoe In my experience, for every one person who hates the training (even Hans' and Sally's) there are hundreds who loved it. Wow, that sounds like a well researched statement. Do you talk to a lot of formerimpacters or just the people that are currently in the building when you show up? Quoteboonetahoe$3,000 and a month is not that much to sacrifice to preserve a family
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Pardon my typo, that last line should have read, "I would have had a much better chance of putting a stop to things if I would have pulled myself out at the very beginning."
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For the record, I did the "Try the first few trainings because your family is on the line" idea and it is a terrible idea. I never got sucked into the mental manipulation but my family just got deeper and deeper. I would have had a much better chance putting a stop to things if I have pulled myself out at the very beginning.
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I guess my take on this is that since Hans has lied about so many other things he is probably lying about his childhood as well. While I cannot conclusively prove that he is making up life stories I think I am safe in assuming that he is completely full of crap.
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QuoteNOTImpactedWalk into any one of their houses and the first thing you see is a "collage" of, what I'm assuming is the stuff their putting their energy into??? I don't really know, but it's sickening (I'm sure you all know what I'm talking about). The Collage that you are referring to is call a "Spirit Wheel". Don't bother b
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NOTImpacted, I wish you the best of luck with your family. The difficult thing with TIT3ers is that they have become so conditioned that they rationalize away any logical conflict that springs up between what they think the training is and what they actually see it doing. I have seen people kicked out of the TIT 3 trainings who still subscribe to all the crap because they know of no other wa
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I've seen Hans, Sally and a few of the other trainers encourage divorces on more than one occasion. It was usually done behind closed doors (because not supporting marriages or attempting to be spiritual leaders would cause HUGE problems with the LDS church), but there were a few times when I heard trainers talk idly about specific couples and their problems in more public settings. Usua
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I knew Dave Bentley personally. While he was with Impact he made the decision to leave his wife and kids. At the time he wasn't paying any kind of child support and his wife had to sell their house and take a job as a bank teller to make ends meet. I understand that divorces happen (especially around Impact) but Dave literally abandoned his family because he had to "find himsel
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I just wanted to chime in on the post consolidation idea. A few of us have attempted to segment the Impact thread in the past and we have met with little success. My vote is to keep the thread as it is. I agree that there is quite a bit of crap diluting portions of the thread (*Cough*Rswinters*Cough*Shadow*Cough*) but in the end I think attempting to consolidate the cream of the crop int
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I thought I would move this dialogue over to the main forum Quotemark1972I just want to set the record straght on impact trainings, it it not what these people say. They have had over 140,000 people go through the training, you are going to have a few nut jobs. Impact Training does not teach you anything you already don't know inside. Impact has changed my life for the better, I'm a
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I'm going to dispute one more claim that you made in your post. Quotemark1972...Impact Training does not teach you anything you already don't know inside... This is completely false. In the Trainer in Training levels at the Impact Trainings I was told that I had clogged Chakra's that needed to be cleared using specific Impact processes. I was also told that I needed to find
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Quotemark1972I just want to set the record straght on impact trainings, it it not what these people say. They have had over 140,000 people go through the training, you are going to have a few nut jobs. Impact Training does not teach you anything you already don't know inside. Impact has changed my life for the better, I'm a better husband, father, son and uncle. We do not go out to recr
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QuoteImpactedexImpact, >>They have made their own religion, << It's taken me awhile to see this perspective. But I don't quite agree that Impact is a religion. That's too nice a term for what they're becoming. Would you agree that Impact 10+ years ago was not at all a religion, but a LGAT in the classic sense? And that with the TIT stuff
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Rsw, I have decided against criticizing your posts on multiple occasions because you have a tendency to overreact to criticism but with your recent trip into dementia justifies a response. Many of your posts on this site seem geared toward your favorite topic of LGAT unification but quite frankly after several months of listening to you tout that issue over and over on every LGAT thread I
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QuoteSaneAgainHopeful Soul, what (and who) are you actually talking about? Rswinters or the trolls and apologists who hang out here? Thanks SaneAgain. The post in question did seem a tad absurd/pointless but I didn't want to be the Jerk that pointed it out (again)...
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QuoteMaxuiQuoteformerimpactgrad 8. Hans claims to speak for God when training in the Impact Trainings. I heard him say on more than one occasion, "When I am up infront of a group in Quest", the first of the core trainings, "Its not me speaking, Jesus, God, Lord Michael, St Germaine and the other masters are speaking through me. Impact is not my training, it is theirs
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QuotePassionateExImpact wrote: "As far as the golden rule is concerned, if you can come up with a valid argument about what I post, I welcome it." This is like saying "If I am 30 years old, Thursdays are the fourth day of the week." Neither have anything to do with the other. Damaged was saying that people aren't generally nice here. While I suppo
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QuoteSaneAgainI have a question about how group dynamics are manipulated in the trainings and I thought I'd ask it on this thread, because there are so many members here with significant experience staffing trainings. Is there an explicit plan to set up different group members in the trainings with specific roles... e.g. leader, scapegoat, good model, bad model etc? If so how is this pla
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QuoteunresolvedI'm sorry if I missed it, but was there an outline of the process used by Impact at their trainings? I would like to put one together for the MKP. I think it would be useful to demonstrate that these are different groups often doing the same things, as RSWinters states. People's personal stories are extremely important, I would just like to add a common framework that peo
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QuotePassionateI heard that their Colorado location shut down, but I don't know why. Here is their web bsite...aparently they are still alive and well. www.visionworks-international.com/contactus.php "It grew from the original vision of Rising Star Communications, but at this point the “Star” has risen and given birth to bigger “Vision” at “Work”, VisionWorks International"
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I response to what rrmoderator posted, does anyone have information on visionworks/rising star? They were also a Lifespring spin-off based in Utah. I'm not sure what brought them down but it could be useful as far as Impact is concerned. I heard that there was a 20/20 story done on the company but I have not been able to find any information online. Any information would be appreciated.
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QuoteexImpactQuotePassionateDoes anyone care to tell about a TIT III retreat they have been on? Like the one a few years ago where they 'released' the trapped spirits of a Pioneer slaughter in Central Utah? I wasn't there, but I did have a few acquaintances who were still in TIT3 for the Native American thing who told me all about it. They had been on the fence about being in TI
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Rswinters, I think the TIT III information is extremely relevant. TIT III is not a post group. It is actually administered and taught by the Impact Trainers and staff. It is run out of the center and is listed on their website as a training offered by the group. Passionate, I was not around for the pioneer release but I was on the "Lemuria Retreat" where the trainees were co
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QuotePassionateNo answers here. Former, could you take one process, say Lifeboat, and tell us what you saw were "predetermined responses" that Impact wanted them to have? Here's what I think would be a few pre-determined responses, and there may be many: 1. I see that I don't value myself, and I will value myself in the future. I come first. 2. There is something
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QuoteskepticI haven't finished reading this whole thread so if this has been said I haven't seen it. I just want to comment on the question earlier regarding people having different experiences in lgats. I went through this with my sister a couple years ago. Because SHE had a good experience she refuses to consider that the lgat employed covert manipulation. And she reduces my d
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QuotePassionateI had a different experience in Lifeboat. I kept my own vote and received the second highest number of votes in the training. For me, in my core training, this was one of the few processes that didn't tear me down. Spiritual?, in reference to the perfection they teach, I saw it a bit differently. I didn't see that they actually taught that we are perfect in the lite
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