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9 years ago
treefern
QuoteCOncerned PartnerQuoteHowDoesItHappenHi all, Firstly, thanks to Willow.Sunshine for adding a voice and sharing their experiences. I just wanted to share a thought I had about the interactions with a UM devotee. It is easy to see them as the enemy when they are constantly attacking you. But I liken it to fighting child soldiers in a war (not that I have any idea what that is like so I&#
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9 years ago
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QuoteVenusDarklyQuotecorboyConcerning Breast Massage Friends..some interesting stuff about body chemistry here. Esoteric Breast Massage is not just for laughs. It may foster emotional bonding with the masseuse and possibly with the the maternal face of Mona Lisa if that image is prominent in the treatment room and any other UM symbols lying about. . Breast massage and nipple stimulation,
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9 years ago
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QuoteCOncerned PartnerMy apologies to Caroline as the author of the blog. I only just googled and found the blog. The defense was written by someone else who also needs to check their credentials. One by Brendan Mooney, Registered Psychologist BPsySci (Hons) AmusA Oh Dear, what can you say about this nonsense and lack of self awareness? It is certainly not an advertisement to use his se
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9 years ago
treefern
At last we have it....VenusDarkly a godsend! The story from Serge and his minions for quite some months now has been one of a 'handful of abuseive men and one (angry) woman dying of cancer has had it 'in for Serge'. Serge it would seem that the truth is outing and some highly educated and well informed human beings are making a stand to not only tell the truth but also stand up
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9 years ago
treefern
QuotelifetruetomeTreefern you are a genius (maybe we should all follow you??:)) "pranic and proud" !!! Hmmmm Now that is a tempting offer, unfortunately my family can sing, our accountant is honest and I don't lie. If I can have a toy boy on the side with my Latte and Mars Bar Cheesecake, I'll certainly give it some thought;)
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9 years ago
treefern
'When I attain perfection I will expect it of all others' one of my favourite quotes and as only Allah/God is perfect then I'm not likely to gain it in either this lifetime or any yet to come. I love my husband very much all the partners writing on this site do none of us are perfect but love and a commitment to each other means accepting the flaws. As lifetruetome says and than
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9 years ago
treefern
Quotelifetruetomethis link has to be the worst attempt at humour I have ever come across. It is so self serving and righteous. What happened to self deprecation as really good humour. I really can't believe how judgemental UM'ers are (yes the irony hasn't escaped me that I am being judgemental writing this post but I will always draw the line at particularly bad humour). .
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9 years ago
treefern
.........and so it has come to this Not in my wildest nightmares did I think four years ago when I first came into contact with Serge Benhayon and Universal Medicine, when I first had a "funny feeling" and "accussed" them then of being a cult, was berated and told how "pranic I was", did I ever think Universal Medicine led by Serge Benhayon was 'this' ki
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9 years ago
treefern
QuoteHerbertKane178I think they are having technical issues over at Universal Medicine. I've noticed posts disappearing from their blogs. The below posting WAS on "Words on Serge Benhayon" blog. For some reason it disappeared. Luckily, thanks to the wonders of the internet, it's not lost. So I share it here just in case anyone wants to read it. And if anyone at Universal Me
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9 years ago
treefern
Some housekeeping and not in any particular order: Thank you corboy, I didn't realize others were also being PMed, useful information (as per usual) for you to pass on. I had yet again a feeling of disquiet when I was recieving the PMs and then it struck me....NO EMOTION> Ah some quite disturbing stories and always ending with a question of me, but here is the giveaway UMers. When hum
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9 years ago
treefern
Actually correct me here if I'm wrong any UMer out there. All the people with cancer have first been diagnosed and subsequently treated by the TRAINED teams of medical professionals? I don't in all honesty believe you can owe your being 'alive' now to Serge, because from what I gather there are a lot of poor people who have lost their lives due to his misdiagnosis, or would
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9 years ago
treefern
I would like to clarify something at this point especially intended for you Serge. My husband has always been and will always continue to be a very loving, kind and gentle man, who has tried to strive and better himself throughtout his life. When you Serge, strut around on stage and tell both women and men that only you 'his royal highness' is truely loving, the "only man who ev
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9 years ago
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QuotecorboyQuote(Leser's)focus being a very narrow one. As Rebecca said, in this selective focus, the journalist selects aspects of Universal Medicine which may generate a reaction from the public I dare suggest that UM has found a very narrow focus by which to generate a reaction from non UM partners. For UM went and hit on a single, selective focus...it disrupted the sex lives of non
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9 years ago
treefern
Deja vu or what? 60Minutes ran a story in 1997 on William Kamm, is history repeating itself? I hope not.
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9 years ago
treefern
QuoteHerbertKane178QuoteMacReady "If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." - Mark Twain. That's a beautiful quote MacReady, and very appropriate. And so in 'truth' the 4 or so angry men out to 'get' Serge, have in fact all been working to 'set the truth free'! When I first came into contact with Serge Benhayon four years
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9 years ago
treefern
QuoteHerbertKane178Worth noting a couple of negative reviews creeping in to the reviews of "The Lighthouse" in the UK, where Universal Medicine holds many of its courses and retreats. The Lighthouse responds below one of the reviews that they do more than host the events. Worth noting the user photos for a large copy of the Mona Lisa on the wall of one of the rooms and the mention of &#
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9 years ago
treefern
lovingsister there is no way and will never be a way for a win win for Serge. He could only ever win if he was remembered as a man of integrity who fought for humanity, not as someone who will be always remembered as an 'alleged' Cult leader, and a well documented business man with the intention of 'making money'. Morpheus is right. There are many more ways to be unfaith
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9 years ago
treefern
lifetruetome you have expressed my fears for women going to UM and listening to Serge, beautifully.....thank you! What worries me even more is that Serge seems to be able to change his mind at the smell of sounding really stupid. What if a woman who listened to Serge say something dumb one day missed hearing him backstep the next day and kept up with the original dangerous practice? There w
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9 years ago
treefern
I would like to address the issue of the Esoteric Breast Massage and accreditation by Universal Medicine. The EBM which is yet another brainchild of Serge Benhayon was conceived by him and the practice and perfection of the massage was used firstly on his young wife Miranda. My own experience with the EBM's was when I had 2 very close friends diagnosed with breast cancer a very fright
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9 years ago
treefern
QuoteMorpheusQuotetreefernQuoteMorpheusI am an ex member. This whole affair has really made me wake up. Seeing him on TV looking like a creep cult leader freaked me out and made me shudder. I did some courses and while I liked the words, the deeds were very different. Serge spends a lot of time putting down other if not all therapies, medicine unless he approves of it, and people. It is weird fo
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9 years ago
treefern
QuoteMorpheusI am an ex member. This whole affair has really made me wake up. Seeing him on TV looking like a creep cult leader freaked me out and made me shudder. I did some courses and while I liked the words, the deeds were very different. Serge spends a lot of time putting down other if not all therapies, medicine unless he approves of it, and people. It is weird for someone who says not to
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9 years ago
treefern
To all of the people sending me Personal messages to Thank me for "being so brave and telling my story", I'm a little confused. You have taken the time to register, find a nom de plume and then send a message. The same thread links all your messages together..you have friends/relatives or are in UM checking out what I personally think of them, you all say "you are too afrai
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9 years ago
treefern
lovingsister, you have come to the right place. It was this site that helped me with my husband and I can only hope we can now help you. The people who contribute to this site do it out of love and concern for their loved ones and I might add have had quite a hard time of it for their troubles. It will be a long and difficult journey to try and get your sister/daughter back, but well worth it
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9 years ago
treefern
I like the fact that none of the newspapers are using the word 'alleged' cult leader when they refer to Serge. Maybe the reporters, All the reporters from the Sun Herald to the Echo are pretty convinced of just where Serge stands within the question of being a "cult leader?" For the record, I am a female and I am complaining, the young girl in the photo in the Sun Herald a
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9 years ago
treefern
Herbert what a true gentleman you are, thank you. I really love your beautiful quote. One of the maxims I live my life by is a quote from Edmund Burke; All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Every day something pops into my head that I have heard Serge say, I once heard him say 'that we are responsible for ourselves only'. Serge a question or t
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9 years ago
treefern
QuotefrodobagginsHi Concerned. I feel your frustration. Hopefully we have stopped other innocent people get conned by this charlatan. I am giving up on those involved. If the stuff that has come out won't make them see sense then nothing will. I am confident we have helped others! Several months ago in absolute desperation to keep my beautiful family together and to help my husb
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9 years ago
treefern
QuotefrodobagginsQuoteNofooliamQuote: corboy Extraordinary claims require extra ordinary proof. Last July (2011) Serge stood in front of his Friday night meetings followers (200 at least) and animatedly predicted that Sydney would be hit by a freak tornado in the coming November, and that specifically Kirribilly would be hit. Nothing ever happened of course. No-one IMHO can predict the
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9 years ago
treefern
QuoteMacReadyAs you have accurately stated before CP, the charges Serge directs at others say far more about himself than anyone else. I've heard Serge say repeatedly that he would love to debate his claims with the world's intellectuals and that he refuses to dilute what he knows to be true in order to make his presentations more palatable to a wider audience. Yet at the first sign
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9 years ago
treefern
KIK you are so right, if someone CAN lie about one thing then that same person CAN and WILL lie about anything that is to their advantage. What a wonderfully well written article by Heath Aston in todays (22-06-12) Sun Herald. To the organizers thank you, to Pippa Vickery thank you, to put yourself out there for all to see was a very brave thing to do indeed as I know only too well exactly how
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9 years ago
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Quoteknowledge_is_kingI think Rebecca is busy at the moment, maybe she is busy adding a link to this forum page to her Universal Medicine Facebook page. Where are you Rebecca? I hope it isn't option b or c... Quoteknowledge_is_kingRebecca, ...text removed by knowledge_is_king as not relevant to this post... Let's assume that we can take you at face value and that we can believe
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