Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
COncerned Partner
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Date: September 10, 2012 07:29PM
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Sandman
Any self-respecting 'cult leader' has, as a main priority, control over followers' sex lives.
When the leader is male then the strategy is to manipulate other males in the group so that they appear to be incompetent amongst the females. This occurs time and time again, whether the cult belief system is conservative or liberal.
Serge Benhayon uses 'Ageless Wisdom'. There is no 'Hierarchy of Masters', unless maybe you're after some Blavatskyian 'theosophy' or Elizabeth Clare Prophet style 'Ascended master' theories circa 1888-1970.
Alice Bailey would have nothing to do with the likes of Serge Benhanyon. Universal Medicine should ask the Lucis Trust if they can confirm her reincarnation. It is unlikely Universal Medicine would get anywhere except maybe prosecuted for copyright violation.
Whatever. Maybe Universal Medicine can explain how Serge Benhayon is something more than the usual run-of-the-mill 'esoteric teacher' and not just yet another 'esoteric' con man verging on the criminal...?
Hi Sandman, thanks for bringing up the obvious. I think every man ( and some women) are scratching their heads and thinking "All I did was try to do the best for my partner"- As corboy pointed out, this could only happen if you had a man ( or women) who supported you. The payoff is Serge taking control and diminishing that supportive partner.
Here's something interesting on that subject. [wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
MacReady
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Date: September 10, 2012 08:19PM
Thanks for highlighting this, CP. This analysis is one of the most incisive deconstructions of Serge's psycho-sexual control mechanisms I have read. It is worth noting that, according to the UM blogs, there seems to be a considerable number of UM students who have experienced sexual abuse earlier in their lives (particularly in childhood), which, on a psychological level, may account somewhat for the attraction they feel toward Serge and his ideas.
[wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
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[wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
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Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
MacReady
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Date: September 11, 2012 01:09AM
Note to Eric Dobbs: your PM in-box is full, please clear some space asap. Thanks!
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
HerbertKane178
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Date: September 11, 2012 02:07AM
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MacReady
Thanks for highlighting this, CP. This analysis is one of the most incisive deconstructions of Serge's psycho-sexual control mechanisms I have read. It is worth noting that, according to the UM blogs, there seems to be a considerable number of UM students who have experienced sexual abuse earlier in their lives (particularly in childhood), which, on a psychological level, may account somewhat for the attraction they feel toward Serge and his ideas.
[wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
There also seems to be a fair amount of people who have experienced some form of serious emotional trauma in their lives - bereavement, substance abuse issues, abusive/violent relationships etc. I can see why many of the them would be drawn towards Universal Medicine with its outward appearance as a loving and caring organisation. These sort of groups seem to prey on the emotionally vulnerable.
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
MacReady
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Date: September 11, 2012 06:07AM
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HerbertKane178Quote
MacReady
Thanks for highlighting this, CP. This analysis is one of the most incisive deconstructions of Serge's psycho-sexual control mechanisms I have read. It is worth noting that, according to the UM blogs, there seems to be a considerable number of UM students who have experienced sexual abuse earlier in their lives (particularly in childhood), which, on a psychological level, may account somewhat for the attraction they feel toward Serge and his ideas.
[wordsonsergebenhayon.blogspot.com.au]
There also seems to be a fair amount of people who have experienced some form of serious emotional trauma in their lives - bereavement, substance abuse issues, abusive/violent relationships etc. I can see why many of the them would be drawn towards Universal Medicine with its outward appearance as a loving and caring organisation. These sort of groups seem to prey on the emotionally vulnerable.
Agreed. And after investing so much, emotionally and financially in Serge's claims of 'total integrity', it's clearly difficult, if not impossible for many of these people to even consider the possibility that there's another, unsavory element to his character, even in the face of emerging evidence.
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
MacReady
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Date: September 11, 2012 08:13AM
How Did Taking 'Good Advice' Start Meaning You're In A Cult?
[truthaboutuniversalmedicine.com]
Let's survey the belief system behind that 'good advice':
Serge being the reincarnation of Imhotep, St. Peter, Pythagoras, Plato, Da Vinci and Alice A. Bailey, at least until he gets confonted on these claims, in which case he's 'only joking'. Lords of Form. Possession by entities being a regular occurance. Many foods being 'pranic' and 'evil', thus trapping 'evil' in the body. Occult initiations. Using tampons being equated with being penetrated by degenerate men. All music apart from that produced by UM being harmful/evil. All healing modalities apart from that offered by UM harmful/evil. All religious beliefs apart from that invented by Serge being the work of the Lords of Form, thus harmful/evil. The way you move your body impacting beings on other planets. Atlantis, Lemuria and mermaids being historical fact. The UM community being reincarnations of the Cathar sect. Serge knowing who and where Elvis Presley's reincarnation is, but getting the details mixed up with who and where he claims Adolf Hitler's is when questioned by the media. Serge knowing more than any scientist on the planet, but diagnosing people by assuring them they have entities in their kidneys when they actually have brain cancer. The ordeals people experience being the result of karmic corrections, for example, if a child is molested, then the child was a molester in a past life, thus just paying back a karmic debt. Natural disasters the result of the earth clearing prana. All lovemaking beyond Serge's teachings 'pornographic' and imbued with 'rape energy'. Humans incapable of independent thought. The mind being untrustworthy and merely a receiver of ideas, either from 'evil entities' or God.
Medical practitioners being unable to 'truly heal' patients because they don't follow Serge's lifestyle/belief systems. Serge being infallible despite increasing evidence of immoral and/or criminal conduct coming to light.
That's how taking 'good advice' started meaning you're in a cult.
[truthaboutuniversalmedicine.com]
Let's survey the belief system behind that 'good advice':
Serge being the reincarnation of Imhotep, St. Peter, Pythagoras, Plato, Da Vinci and Alice A. Bailey, at least until he gets confonted on these claims, in which case he's 'only joking'. Lords of Form. Possession by entities being a regular occurance. Many foods being 'pranic' and 'evil', thus trapping 'evil' in the body. Occult initiations. Using tampons being equated with being penetrated by degenerate men. All music apart from that produced by UM being harmful/evil. All healing modalities apart from that offered by UM harmful/evil. All religious beliefs apart from that invented by Serge being the work of the Lords of Form, thus harmful/evil. The way you move your body impacting beings on other planets. Atlantis, Lemuria and mermaids being historical fact. The UM community being reincarnations of the Cathar sect. Serge knowing who and where Elvis Presley's reincarnation is, but getting the details mixed up with who and where he claims Adolf Hitler's is when questioned by the media. Serge knowing more than any scientist on the planet, but diagnosing people by assuring them they have entities in their kidneys when they actually have brain cancer. The ordeals people experience being the result of karmic corrections, for example, if a child is molested, then the child was a molester in a past life, thus just paying back a karmic debt. Natural disasters the result of the earth clearing prana. All lovemaking beyond Serge's teachings 'pornographic' and imbued with 'rape energy'. Humans incapable of independent thought. The mind being untrustworthy and merely a receiver of ideas, either from 'evil entities' or God.
Medical practitioners being unable to 'truly heal' patients because they don't follow Serge's lifestyle/belief systems. Serge being infallible despite increasing evidence of immoral and/or criminal conduct coming to light.
That's how taking 'good advice' started meaning you're in a cult.
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
treefern
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Date: September 11, 2012 08:41AM
.........and so it has come to this
Not in my wildest nightmares did I think four years ago when I first came into contact with Serge Benhayon and Universal Medicine, when I first had a "funny feeling" and "accussed" them then of being a cult, was berated and told how "pranic I was", did I ever think Universal Medicine led by Serge Benhayon was 'this' kind of Cult. There is a part of me that is just totally repulsed and slightly nauseous by the stories now surfacing in the media.
In every situation where I need to sort the wheat from the chaff, I first ask myself 'who has the most to gain by lying?' The answer in the case of Serge Benhayon is glaringly obvious.....Serge does! What would I as a once client of Uni Med and partner of a (now ex) 'student' have to gain by telling my story, what would any ex-partners or students stand to gain? By the way the newspapers do not mention long term de-facto relationships, or the multiple relationship break-downs for individuals who find any partner too pranic to be with. What do the reporters stand to gain by lying.....their reputations maybe, I think they would rather be known for the good job they did to investigate the story behind Serge Benhayon and Universal Medicine, with a good reporting reputation they the reporters now stand to gain a better job = more money. If Serge were to tell the "truth" for example he stands to lose millions in revenue and followers = he becomes a mere mortal once again, or maybe in his case a mere conman who has now been caught out?
There is a sad lesson in here for those willing to walk over the heads of others. First get a great accountant, diddle people out of their hard earned money, flee to the foothills of Hippiedom where you can reinvent yourself but this time go for the big money. Peddle your wares to the wealthy white middle class women, making sure you keep your savvy accountant so everything you do can now be written off in taxes as a religion, a charity or in family trusts. It is a must that you have a loyal ex-wife who is willing to sit beside you and your new much younger wife and talk about "integrity" another question I needed to ask myself, "who is this woman protecting, herself or her four children?"
What worries me now although it shouldn't, but that is just the 'pranic' person I am is, do all the Doctors, Dentists, Lawyers etc who have spent years of University study and all of the other 'students' of Uni Med who have professional reputations that they have spent years developing, realise that when the next installment of the Serge story is released, or even the one after that, which may be far more incriminating than the last, will these people/students be prepared to lose their own reputations and careers to stand up for a man that they don't really KNOW, what they do KNOW are the make believe stories he has concocted?
It is morally reprehensible to stand up for anyone who has made millions from a business and Serge is the first person to admit he is in the business of making money, it is morally reprehensible now that you have an income of several million dollars per year and not pay back the money you owed, it is morally reprehensible to talk about integrity knowing someone 'liked them young' how young was young?
There is a moral code that is recognised by all and not just a few, I live my life by a moral code that doesn't require any lying.
Not in my wildest nightmares did I think four years ago when I first came into contact with Serge Benhayon and Universal Medicine, when I first had a "funny feeling" and "accussed" them then of being a cult, was berated and told how "pranic I was", did I ever think Universal Medicine led by Serge Benhayon was 'this' kind of Cult. There is a part of me that is just totally repulsed and slightly nauseous by the stories now surfacing in the media.
In every situation where I need to sort the wheat from the chaff, I first ask myself 'who has the most to gain by lying?' The answer in the case of Serge Benhayon is glaringly obvious.....Serge does! What would I as a once client of Uni Med and partner of a (now ex) 'student' have to gain by telling my story, what would any ex-partners or students stand to gain? By the way the newspapers do not mention long term de-facto relationships, or the multiple relationship break-downs for individuals who find any partner too pranic to be with. What do the reporters stand to gain by lying.....their reputations maybe, I think they would rather be known for the good job they did to investigate the story behind Serge Benhayon and Universal Medicine, with a good reporting reputation they the reporters now stand to gain a better job = more money. If Serge were to tell the "truth" for example he stands to lose millions in revenue and followers = he becomes a mere mortal once again, or maybe in his case a mere conman who has now been caught out?
There is a sad lesson in here for those willing to walk over the heads of others. First get a great accountant, diddle people out of their hard earned money, flee to the foothills of Hippiedom where you can reinvent yourself but this time go for the big money. Peddle your wares to the wealthy white middle class women, making sure you keep your savvy accountant so everything you do can now be written off in taxes as a religion, a charity or in family trusts. It is a must that you have a loyal ex-wife who is willing to sit beside you and your new much younger wife and talk about "integrity" another question I needed to ask myself, "who is this woman protecting, herself or her four children?"
What worries me now although it shouldn't, but that is just the 'pranic' person I am is, do all the Doctors, Dentists, Lawyers etc who have spent years of University study and all of the other 'students' of Uni Med who have professional reputations that they have spent years developing, realise that when the next installment of the Serge story is released, or even the one after that, which may be far more incriminating than the last, will these people/students be prepared to lose their own reputations and careers to stand up for a man that they don't really KNOW, what they do KNOW are the make believe stories he has concocted?
It is morally reprehensible to stand up for anyone who has made millions from a business and Serge is the first person to admit he is in the business of making money, it is morally reprehensible now that you have an income of several million dollars per year and not pay back the money you owed, it is morally reprehensible to talk about integrity knowing someone 'liked them young' how young was young?
There is a moral code that is recognised by all and not just a few, I live my life by a moral code that doesn't require any lying.
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
HerbertKane178
()
Date: September 11, 2012 08:51AM
Quote
treefern
.........and so it has come to this
Not in my wildest nightmares did I think four years ago when I first came into contact with Serge Benhayon and Universal Medicine, when I first had a "funny feeling" and "accussed" them then of being a cult, was berated and told how "pranic I was", did I ever think Universal Medicine led by Serge Benhayon was 'this' kind of Cult. There is a part of me that is just totally repulsed and slightly nauseous by the stories now surfacing in the media.
In every situation where I need to sort the wheat from the chaff, I first ask myself 'who has the most to gain by lying?' The answer in the case of Serge Benhayon is glaringly obvious.....Serge does! What would I as a once client of Uni Med and partner of a (now ex) 'student' have to gain by telling my story, what would any ex-partners or students stand to gain? By the way the newspapers do not mention long term de-facto relationships, or the multiple relationship break-downs for individuals who find any partner too pranic to be with. What do the reporters stand to gain by lying.....their reputations maybe, I think they would rather be known for the good job they did to investigate the story behind Serge Benhayon and Universal Medicine, with a good reporting reputation they the reporters now stand to gain a better job = more money. If Serge were to tell the "truth" for example he stands to lose millions in revenue and followers = he becomes a mere mortal once again, or maybe in his case a mere conman who has now been caught out?
There is a sad lesson in here for those willing to walk over the heads of others. First get a great accountant, diddle people out of their hard earned money, flee to the foothills of Hippiedom where you can reinvent yourself but this time go for the big money. Peddle your wares to the wealthy white middle class women, making sure you keep your savvy accountant so everything you do can now be written off in taxes as a religion, a charity or in family trusts. It is a must that you have a loyal ex-wife who is willing to sit beside you and your new much younger wife and talk about "integrity" another question I needed to ask myself, "who is this woman protecting, herself or her four children?"
What worries me now although it shouldn't, but that is just the 'pranic' person I am is, do all the Doctors, Dentists, Lawyers etc who have spent years of University study and all of the other 'students' of Uni Med who have professional reputations that they have spent years developing, realise that when the next installment of the Serge story is released, or even the one after that, which may be far more incriminating than the last, will these people/students be prepared to lose their own reputations and careers to stand up for a man that they don't really KNOW, what they do KNOW are the make believe stories he has concocted?
It is morally reprehensible to stand up for anyone who has made millions from a business and Serge is the first person to admit he is in the business of making money, it is morally reprehensible now that you have an income of several million dollars per year and not pay back the money you owed, it is morally reprehensible to talk about integrity knowing someone 'liked them young' how young was young?
There is a moral code that is recognised by all and not just a few, I live my life by a moral code that doesn't require any lying.
Thank you Treefern for this wonderful, insightful post. I think you raise some really important questions that those defending Serge Benhayon should really be asking themselves.
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
treefern
()
Date: September 11, 2012 08:55AM
Quote
lifetruetome
this link has to be the worst attempt at humour I have ever come across. It is so self serving and righteous. What happened to self deprecation as really good humour. I really can't believe how judgemental UM'ers are (yes the irony hasn't escaped me that I am being judgemental writing this post but I will always draw the line at particularly bad humour). . If this is belief system of love I am certainly not getting that vibe. They even try to rewrite science. How arrogant!!! Even some of the evil new agers have the intellect to know that the universe was formed from some kind of big bang theory. Check out quantum physics, cosmology, pure mathematics and then write your cartoons.
Oh yes I am just waiting for the UM cartoon that puts down fat people, as UM'ers seem so obsessed with anyone who is over weight as being pranic! I love the cartoon in here about cow's milk. Actually cow's milk that hasn't been pasteurized or homogenized can be very good for you. Full of lots of good bacteria, which, I believe, is where we all came from, not from some made up place Serge comes from!
[evolverpress.wordpress.com]
Good heavens, I've just read this and then went to the link.......thanks lifetruetome, my dear old dad, best his soul would say "these people have had a full humour bypass!"
Re: Universal medicine
Posted by:
MacReady
()
Date: September 11, 2012 10:04AM
Gayle Cue, who acted as Serge's media facilitator via her radio show and never once questioned anything he said (no matter how unsubstantiated or ridiculous) here has the nerve to address the responsibility the media has in verifying the truth of the material they present. Amusingly, she refers to a quote by the Dalai Lama (a man who Serge has said he would debate in order to expose the erroneous nature of Buddhist beliefs on matters of reincarnation, etc) in doing so:
[truthaboutsergebenhayon.com]
Here is a series of interviews Gayle conducted with Serge which were broadcast via her show on Radio Bay FM:
[study.universalmedicine.com.au]
These interviews should be made available to other media outlets so they can examine the information presented by Serge and Gayle, and then refer it to the scientific/medical communities for independent 'fact' verification.
[truthaboutsergebenhayon.com]
Here is a series of interviews Gayle conducted with Serge which were broadcast via her show on Radio Bay FM:
[study.universalmedicine.com.au]
These interviews should be made available to other media outlets so they can examine the information presented by Serge and Gayle, and then refer it to the scientific/medical communities for independent 'fact' verification.
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