Hi Sonnie_dee, I would imagine besides the "normal" employment agreements such as payroll, tax and superannuation, there may be various types of confidentiality agreements relating to so called "Proprietary information". Not that you probably want to go down this path BUT, what LE refers to as proprietary info or tech is not. Lots of their "tech" is borrowed from
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Here is an open letter from Rev. P. Gerard O'Rourke, Administrator, St. Agnes Church San Francisco dated 1993 - As a Catholic this makes me very sad: Landmark also has testimonies from priests who have done Landmark Education. I guess they are human too and have the same vulnerabilities as the rest of us. BUT... Patrick and others - When Werner was very much involved with The For
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Coz - You certainly jog my memory back to those bizaar LGAT days of mine... :) Yes - AR does capture the participants minds in another way to LE participants though the commonality is that in both, critical thinking, (reasoning and logic), are shut down. I would imagine AR people are quite open to anything of a feel good nature so many may also do LE as well as getting into more esoteric pract
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Hi Sonnie_dee, I see you are getting calls from Landmark from your post above. If this is a problem for you there is a way to fix it. Part of the Landmark persona is that it abides by the law of the land, though sometimes it's restraint is at the bleeding edge. New Zealand has very similar privacy laws to Australia, UK and Europe. The law provides for individual privacy when deal
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Hi Coz - thanks for the link. When I was in my "Money and You" Robert Kiyosaki LGAT years ago, we thought we were fine too and Esties were poor victims of a horrible process. We did not realise our process was something quite similar. I feel that this is the case for the AR devotees. I noticed one of the posters from that thread talks about the firewalk in comparison to the LE pro
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Hi Sonnie Dee, You are making perfect sense in your explanations and what you write is most helpful. Thanks for the understanding of the "My life story" exercise. I did not realise it was one aspect of your life but all of it. My ex has told me nothing much at all as to what she went through. She left LE 12 months ago now. The programming is preventing her from recovering. She
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Hi Sonnie_dee - if I may add something to Montreal's questions, we both have lost loved ones to Landmark as have others on this board. What we have found remarkable is how in almost all cases the Landmark participant is able to make a clean break unemotionally from what was formally a relationship without problems. If the break does not occur in the Forum, it seems to occur after the Adva
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It is known that Werner made a trip to Ireland back in 1993 to hold one of these clergy Forums for Catholic priests and Nuns. I have seen on some of the pro Landmark sites such as "ilovepossibility" that there is a Nun from Manila professing her testimony as well as other sites, including the Landmark Education website. This Landmark strategy is about gaining credibility and "
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Hi Sonnie, I understand that you are not in the UK or USA and you are seeking professional help. I am writing from Sydney, Australia if that is any help. I am not a counsellor. However, the network of professionals in cult recovery appear to know each other throughout the world to some extent and the USA seems to be the centre of it. To get started, I would suggest you make some overseas
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Hi Sonnie and welcome to the board :) I would just like to say that you ARE doing well in your recovery. Your posts are well written and logically presented. You are also asking questions. Your critical thought processes are working. Others have suggested that you read as much as you can and this is good. It is a temptation to judge oneself as to "how did I allow myself to get su
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I THINK THIS MAY BE THE GATEWAY INTO THE LANDMARK MIND. I am writing to three groups in this new thread: 1. People who have had loved ones or friends enter Landmark; 2. Any psychologists who have dealt with Landmark people; 3. Landmark and former Landmark people. Over the last 14 months when speaking with my ex-girlfriend who has done the Forum, Advanced Course and the majority of Forum
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With regard to the first Evite from Montreal's first posting, you can go into evite, click the red flag, "report abuse" and select "innapropriate". This goes to Evite Customer Service who may remove the add from the site. It is innapropriate as it is suggesting help with "career transition" but it really designed to sell Landmark COurses to unsuspecting peopl
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Evite seems to be used by Landmarkians. I received an invite some months ago from one. I know of someone who has found Landmark leaflets around too outside of the USA. It seems that they are now resorting to both paper and electronic leaflets and mailouts. - This seems to be a new trend. Oz
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Hi Hsuchij & Ellen, Hsuchij - Back in the 70's and 80's there were many mainstream groups and "one on one" psychotherapy sessions that advocated and practiced techniques to raise a person's anger in order to treat it. As you said, people would be given pillows to hit while encouraged to yell and scream. This practice was abandoned in the 90's due to neu
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For background on this cult leader, go to webpages From The Illawarra Mercury November 20th 2004: ------------------------------------------------- June sex assault trial date for Little Pebble By Erin O'Dwyer CAMBEWARRA cult leader William "Little Pebble" Kamm will stand trial in June. (2005) NSW District Court Chief Judge Reg Blanch yesterday ordered Kamm to st
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Hi hsuchij, you asked: QuoteDo you agree that LGATs, by aquiring personal information, are ultimately praticing or implementing eugenics? Or is it just for the purpose of storing in their database as future reference? The Landmark Forum agreement form asks three types of information: * Demographic info for marketing purposes - if you check their website they are big on key measurables;
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I would question the legal worth of the Agreement document above as it contradicts itself in relation to its exclamations that it is not a psychological therapy program. There are also contradictions in the agreement vs the Forum Syllibus: The aggreement:"The Landmark Forum (the “Program”) is an educational program. It is not therapeutic in design, intent, or methodology and is not a
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hsuchij - Did you sign anything more than this on the first day of Landmark Forum? Here is a link to a downloadable pdf file of the Landmark Education - Forum Registration Form I have pasted the whole contents below in case it is taken off the internet. Of note is how LE goes to great lengths to explain that: 1. It's course does not involve psychotherapy or psychological therap
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I would be interested to know what the Questions are for the Forum. I also understand that there is a seperate 5 page form for Advance Course Participants. Under the freedom of Information Act, (Australia), participants could retreve this information and I am sure in other countries in the world there would be similar mechanisms. No one would want an org like landmark to have any persona
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Hi Toyer, I have just read over all your postings. I understand your own philosophy and I respect this: That we are all responsible to ourselves for our own actions. I adhere to this however, if in the case of a person who is obviously out of touch with reality, do we apply this philosophy to the same degree? At what point can we intervene? At what point do we decide that a person is not fu
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Hi Montreal, I first want to declare that I do not have nor have I ever had, any affiliations with Toastmasters. What I am trying to say is that there is a clear distinction between an organisation promoting an organisation as policy, compared with that of its members promoting an organisation. As an example, if I am a member of a political party, (which I am not), and I go to Toastmaste
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Montreal, You have certainly done some investigations into Landmark Graduates here. One aspect appears that LE Grads refer to their "education" with LE on a similar level to their accademic and industry based credentials. Also of note is the degree of depth of information these people provide of themselves - very singularly focused on self. It is interesting that from your s
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I would like to state first, that I am a practicing Catholic and I see no contradiction in myself stating this while at the same time criticising the handling of sexual abuse cases perpetrated by Catholic Church clergy. My view is that for too long, the Church has singularly focused on showing mercy and forgiveness to the perpetrators at the expense of dispensing Justice and healing for the vi
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The Catholic Church's position of priest celibacy is based on the concept of the primary role of the Priestly Ministry, that of bringing people into a closer realtionship with God. The Church views that an unmarried priest can devote all his time to his ministry rather than be split between his wife and family and his parish. It is a question of where a priest's primary focus is desi
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Hi 1nacc, Please refer to this thread for further info on this group. There are links that lead to some extensive research. Teen Help, WWASP, ISA, Resource Realizations Oz
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Link to related thread: What the beep do we know, How it is related to .
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In no way did Jesus Christ when He was on earth proclaim any kind of diet. The bible, (new testiment), shows that He ate grilled, (that's cooked, not raw), fish and unleaven bread and drank wine. He also admonished those around him who observed the "law" strictly for its own sake while not "loving", (in a spiritual sense), their neighbour. His message was one of pea
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Montreal, The link between "What the beep..." and Landmark is centred around critical thinking vs Magical thinking. Landmark people believe that anything and everything is possible. Their "wonder" at all things possible hooks them into a subjective presentation such as this movie. Landmark people think "what is truth anyway" so subjective science hooks them in
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Dr Phil McGraw is also quoted in another LGAT called "Choices" of which there is a thread on this board. From the Choices website: About Choices: Founder Thelma Box What if life truly is a journey not a destination? That would mean that there are many paths to be taken. That’s why Thelma Box developed Choices Seminars. In 1983 Thelma, Dr. Phil (from the Oprah Winfrey Show) McGraw
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This is a very late response but here is some extensive research on Teen Help, WWASP, ISA, Resource Realizations. it appears to originate from Lifespring. It is all one organisation under many names. Here is also an indepth testimony on the Discovery Course: And a related thread: Oz
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