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17 years ago
kico
Has anyone any information on HAI, the Human Awareness Institute, please ? It's growing in the UK, I just had another invitation to go to their events but I don't know its origins or background. Thank you, Chris
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
QuoteOriginally posted by Cosmophilospher You know, this makes me think of the relation between mental illness, religiousity, and cults. .............. (snip) I tend to assume that the Cultists are conmen, out to make a fast buck. I tend to forget there are many who are mentally ill, and who have delusions, whether they are Leaders or Followers. I have to remember that many of these Cultist
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
kico
BBT said : > but can anyone please answer the question. why is the topic of BDSM in this thread or in this site of Cults? I have yet to see how its a cult. < Well, whether or not it is a ‘cult’ depends on how you define the word cult, but we have already looked at the similarities early in this thread. To re-cap, first there are strong psychological similarities in the power
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
kico
I’m interested in sharing, hearing and learning about the stages of recovery after cult or personal development involvement. I had nearly 20 years of active group work in every form of personal development/Human Potential, high demand, and spiritual groups, from metaphysics, shamanism, yoga, earth healing, meditation, zen, co-counselling (RC and CCI), Landmark, NLP, past-life regression, Diane
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
17 years ago
kico
QuoteGlen My intention was to attend the initial "introductory" LM forum where everyone there is new to the concept so won't have had their minds corrupted yet (except by the 'caring' family member who referred them there of course) The difference is those people are going under the belief this will change their lives. I KNOW THIS IT THE EXACT OPPOSITE. I'd jus
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
Quotecorboy What Kico says here is very important Thanks for the feedback and links corboy. You can call me Chris - kico (pronounced Keecho) is just my logon ID here. Chris
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
Quoteelena You said: &gt;&gt;We are a very ‘positional’, opinionated and entrenched bunch aren’t we ? Lots of critics, a few weird fans, and very little discussion in-between by neutral posters. &gt;&gt; The way you've stated this suggests that we critics are too rigid or inflexible to allow any new or contrary evidence to sway our opinions or alter our conclusion
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
QuoteOriginally posted by Cosmophilospher There is much more to this stuff than meets the eye, in my view. I think it is similar to the Guru/Slave dynamic. That is older than humanity. Personally, i don't think its healthy. Coz Coz, Apart from depersonalisation and dissociation I think there are other outcomes from BDSM/cultic/Human Potential involvement. Two obvio
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
kico
Here in London there is quite an overlap between Human Potential cults and BDSM. The same people who introduced me to Landmark (we met through Co-counselling, a derivative of Dianetics) also introduced me to the BDSM ‘scene’ here. I guess BDSM and cults draw on the same anti-establishment and alternative culture types whose personalities are attracted to submission or domination, and the same
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
kico
QuoteGlen Hi guys ......... (snip) As anyone done it? Was it fun?!! I really want to get inside the mindset of a cult leader and their lemminglike drones... Glen Glen, I think your fascination with cults is a warning sign that you are capable of being seduced and recruited, despite your IQ and knowledge of cultic behaviour. If you debate with a Forum Leader or Co$ teacher or equival
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
Quoterrmoderator As you admit, "I am the same Landmark devotee and a real flamer and fanatic." Thanks. Now everyone on this board can clearly understand where you are coming from and what your agenda is. FYI--your flames will not be posted. I am more than disappointed to learn that Siam has been banned from posting on this forum. I wish to protest this decision. This is a
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
Quoteelena Early esties and Wernerites used to sneer with contempt at the mention of the word or the expression of a feeling of "sympathy." "Sympathy is for life's victims," was one of their mantras. Is this still one of the linchpins of Landmark's philosophy? I suspect it is, being elemental to the whole of the thing, though I imagine they haved figured out
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
Quotegc4062 rrmoderator, thank you! Perhaps now we can return to the original posting of this thread. With the assorted flamers lately, most every thread begun has been hijacked off the original topic, or has gone off on so many tangents as to nearly become unreadable. Hope, back to your original question... Statistically, each forum can contain up to 15% reviewers. Is it correct th
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
&gt; Anyone who has not done Landmark and reads this entire thread will be able to see for themselves the difference between persons who have been in Landmark &amp; have rejected its world view and those who remain trapped in the Landmarkian racket.&lt; We are a very ‘positional’, opinionated and entrenched bunch aren’t we ? Lots of critics, a few weird fans, and very little discus
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
> The Devil killed the Jews. The Jews = Killed by The Devil. The Jews were killed by The Devil. By The Devil the Jews were killed. BY THE DEVIL.. < Where and when did this catastrophe take place Steven ? In the Holocaust ? Are you on your meds yet or had your diagnosis ? Good luck with your recovery. Chris
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
kico
Ellen wrote: “Landmark is full of well-meaning, good-intentioned people who were, for any number of reasons, snookered by the seduction and lured into an evil organisation inside of which it is very difficult to see your way out.” I heard from a lot of old friends over Christmas (letters in Xmas cards) who I haven’t heard from since last Xmas. What struck me is that there are two clear grou
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
Steven, What is your background and who taught you to think like this ? Are you on meds ? Do you have a history of mental health diagnoses ? Good luck, I hope you get some professional help to sort your head out. Chris
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
kico
Hi Markus and corboy, Thanks for the feedback, I'm posting my thoughts on this over on the other thread on Depersonalisation. Chris
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
A great day for posts here for me, 3 separate posts from corboy on different threads all combined to ring alarm bells in my head and give me a ~breakthrough~ in my recovery. First to-day I read : > Its possible you could, without realizing it, be more suggestible to certain triggers ………….. If you find yourself feeling 'driven' to make certain decisions, and you cannot pin po
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
kico
A great day for posts here for me, 3 separate posts from corboy on different threads all combined to ring alarm bells in my head and give me a ~breakthrough~ in my recovery. First to-day I read : > Its possible you could, without realizing it, be more suggestible to certain triggers ………….. If you find yourself feeling 'driven' to make certain decisions, and you cannot pin po
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
kico
What is the difference between enlightenment and depersonalisation ? What is enlightenment ? According to corboy’s post here, it’s either what Steve Norquist calls ‘an intense desire to find and know the truth’ (which rather begs the question, what is the ‘truth’ and how can we recognise it ?) combined with compassion and service toward other humans. Or it is just what John Horgan calls ‘
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
kico
Everyone, I copied my last post here to corboy's new thread on Enlightenment vs. Depersonalisation where I hope we can comtinue this discussion. I saw a great BBC Horizon documentary this week (about the nature of 'reality') which I will post about on the new thread, which postulates a new mathematical theory that we might all be living in a virtual world created by a future
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
I moved this post from the Post-Landmark Concentration Syndrome thread : From 'Only Don't Know' by Zen writer, Korean Zen Master Seung Sahn (aka Soen sa Nim) ISBN 0-87704-054-0. 'A don't know mind is a before-thinking mind. Before thinking is clear like space. Clear like space is clear like a mirror.' In other words, ‘only don't know’ means choosing to
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
kico
Penny, From 'Only Don't Know' by Zen writer, Korean Zen Master Seung Sahn (aka Soen sa Nim) ISBN 0-87704-054-0. 'A don't know mind is a before-thinking mind. Before thinking is clear like space. Clear like space is clear like a mirror.' In other words, ‘only don't know’ means choosing to pay attention, in order to dispel confusion, to be non-judgmental
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
Great post corboy :-) I like the distinction between enlightenment and depersonalisation, that’s so important, and so absent in Landmark and its ilk. One of the hardest parts of recovery for me has been the rejection or re-evaluation of my early pro-enlightenment beliefs. In recovery I felt I had no belief system left, because what I had originally believed in was so tarnished and spoilt by
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
17 years ago
kico
What worries me most about NLP is how mainstream and widespread it is becoming in mental health circles without being tested or critiqued, it seems to be becoming accepted as mainstream and legitimised by default. In the UK I see NLP offered as 'therapy' everywhere, and it has become hugely popular in public college circles as part of their (government funded) Adult Education or Furt
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
&gt; QuoteOriginally posted by Guy The funniest thing I've seen out of the LEC camp is the publications on "intimacy" and "relationships". &lt; Do you recall the Landmark definition/~distinction~ of Sex ? "When you're hot, you're hot, when you're not, you're not." Lovely eh ? I remember a Forum Leader telling us that �
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
My 2 cents worth : I was introduced to Landmark by my ex girlfriend after we separated following a 12 month relationship. My girlfriend was heavily ~coached~ by her best friend (a Landmark acolyte) and she in turn did a heavy ~coaching~ number on me during our relationship. Of course I didn't recognise this at the time, being ignorant both of Landmark and of how memes worked. I think m
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
Hi Pam, Good to see you are here :-) This is a fascinating thread. I can relate to the PTSD symptoms and poor concentration post-Landmark. I had other post-traumatic symptoms too – guilt and shame that I’d been ‘had’ by con-artists, anger and grieving for the lost time and money, depression and self-doubt, loss of confidence and self-esteem, and mood swings. Challenging something that I
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
17 years ago
kico
QuoteOriginally posted by corboy in the US.. &gt; Before you start your group, chris, I advise having some private e-mail conversations with Guy and gc4062. You need to safeguard the privacy of your group and protect yourself from vindictive lawsuits. Landmark is probably quite upset by the things we are revealing on this site, and they're quite capable of sending people to infiltra
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