Post-landmark concentration syndrome
Posted by:
corboy
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Date: December 20, 2003 09:49PM
The depersonalization issues are relevant to LGATS.
The question whether enlightenment is the same or different from depersonalization is a different topic, though no less important.
So, I 're-shelved' my posts to a different thread on
[forum.culteducation.com]
We can keep both discussions going on the different threads.
Apologies for getting things mixed up. Sometimes a topic jazzes me up and I forget. Guy was right to speak up.
This has surfaced an important problem for persons recovering from LGATs and entities like it:
Certain topics like 'enlightenment' have been so closely tied to the problematic LGAT meme-complexes that they are no longer liberating [i:deba1eafa1]as once intended[/i:deba1eafa1].
Once an LGATs meme bundle is attached to the enlightenment teaching, that enlightenment meme bundle loses its character and becomes an 'endarkment' for in combo with the LGAT material it is perverted into a triggers or lever that re-infects the sufferer's mind, keeping the LGAT meme more firmly in place, rather than something that awakens the mind and enables the person to question and remove problematic memes..
As Jesus put it, you cannot serve God and Mammon. When enlightenment teachings are hitched to endarkment teachings, those enlightenment teachers become endarkment.
As Elena put it, the truly liberating ideas are the ones most dangerous when perverted to serve a parasitic meme plex.
Its like radioactive plutonium: if you put an inert object next to it, gradually that formerly inert object turns radioactive--and deadly.
So, like good microbiologists, lets segregate all discussion of enlightenment to the other thread to ensure that this thread remains uncontaminated by potential LGAT triggers and levers. Other persons recovering from problematic LGATs will visit here and we need to keep the environment clean and meme-sterile.
I unwittingly tweaked the thread in a direction where it nearly lost its identity. Guy helped a lot by pointing this out--and it can become part of our communal education process.
This give and take and communal dialogue are the very opposite of what goes on in a cult.
We are recovering, friends, even if we dont always feel that way!
The question whether enlightenment is the same or different from depersonalization is a different topic, though no less important.
So, I 're-shelved' my posts to a different thread on
[forum.culteducation.com]
We can keep both discussions going on the different threads.
Apologies for getting things mixed up. Sometimes a topic jazzes me up and I forget. Guy was right to speak up.
This has surfaced an important problem for persons recovering from LGATs and entities like it:
Certain topics like 'enlightenment' have been so closely tied to the problematic LGAT meme-complexes that they are no longer liberating [i:deba1eafa1]as once intended[/i:deba1eafa1].
Once an LGATs meme bundle is attached to the enlightenment teaching, that enlightenment meme bundle loses its character and becomes an 'endarkment' for in combo with the LGAT material it is perverted into a triggers or lever that re-infects the sufferer's mind, keeping the LGAT meme more firmly in place, rather than something that awakens the mind and enables the person to question and remove problematic memes..
As Jesus put it, you cannot serve God and Mammon. When enlightenment teachings are hitched to endarkment teachings, those enlightenment teachers become endarkment.
As Elena put it, the truly liberating ideas are the ones most dangerous when perverted to serve a parasitic meme plex.
Its like radioactive plutonium: if you put an inert object next to it, gradually that formerly inert object turns radioactive--and deadly.
So, like good microbiologists, lets segregate all discussion of enlightenment to the other thread to ensure that this thread remains uncontaminated by potential LGAT triggers and levers. Other persons recovering from problematic LGATs will visit here and we need to keep the environment clean and meme-sterile.
I unwittingly tweaked the thread in a direction where it nearly lost its identity. Guy helped a lot by pointing this out--and it can become part of our communal education process.
This give and take and communal dialogue are the very opposite of what goes on in a cult.
We are recovering, friends, even if we dont always feel that way!
Post-landmark concentration syndrome
Posted by:
kico
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Date: December 22, 2003 12:18AM
Everyone,
I copied my last post here to corboy's new thread on Enlightenment vs. Depersonalisation where I hope we can comtinue this discussion.
I saw a great BBC Horizon documentary this week (about the nature of 'reality') which I will post about on the new thread, which postulates a new mathematical theory that we might all be living in a virtual world created by a future advanced civilisation using super-computers to generate us and our world.
The naure of what is 'reality', what is 'enlightenment', and what is 'dissociation' is one I would like to understand more about.
Chris
I copied my last post here to corboy's new thread on Enlightenment vs. Depersonalisation where I hope we can comtinue this discussion.
I saw a great BBC Horizon documentary this week (about the nature of 'reality') which I will post about on the new thread, which postulates a new mathematical theory that we might all be living in a virtual world created by a future advanced civilisation using super-computers to generate us and our world.
The naure of what is 'reality', what is 'enlightenment', and what is 'dissociation' is one I would like to understand more about.
Chris
Post-landmark concentration syndrome
Posted by:
MarkusWelch
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Date: December 22, 2003 01:40PM
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kico
Everyone,
I copied my last post here to corboy's new thread on Enlightenment vs. Depersonalisation where I hope we can comtinue this discussion.
I saw a great BBC Horizon documentary this week (about the nature of 'reality') which I will post about on the new thread, which postulates a new mathematical theory that we might all be living in a virtual world created by a future advanced civilisation using super-computers to generate us and our world.
The naure of what is 'reality', what is 'enlightenment', and what is 'dissociation' is one I would like to understand more about.
Chris
Chris,
Claims must be verified, or be able to be verified. Otherwise be on the lookout for some other purpose.
Careful out there. :)
MarkusW
Post-landmark concentration syndrome
Posted by:
kico
()
Date: December 23, 2003 09:04AM
Hi Markus and corboy,
Thanks for the feedback, I'm posting my thoughts on this over on the other thread on Depersonalisation.
Chris
Thanks for the feedback, I'm posting my thoughts on this over on the other thread on Depersonalisation.
Chris
Post-landmark concentration syndrome
Posted by:
ON2 LF
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Date: September 28, 2007 07:41PM
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Posted: 12-20-2003 06:49 AM Post subject: Guy has a point and I apologize
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The depersonalization issues are relevant to LGATS.
The question whether enlightenment is the same or different from depersonalization is a different topic, though no less important.
So, I 're-shelved' my posts to a different thread on
[forum.culteducation.com]
We can keep both discussions going on the different threads.
Apologies for getting things mixed up. Sometimes a topic jazzes me up and I forget. Guy was right to speak up.
This has surfaced an important problem for persons recovering from LGATs and entities like it:
Certain topics like 'enlightenment' have been so closely tied to the problematic LGAT meme-complexes that they are no longer liberating as once intended.
Once an LGATs meme bundle is attached to the enlightenment teaching, that enlightenment meme bundle loses its character and becomes an 'endarkment' for in combo with the LGAT material it is perverted into a triggers or lever that re-infects the sufferer's mind, keeping the LGAT meme more firmly in place, rather than something that awakens the mind and enables the person to question and remove problematic memes..
As Jesus put it, you cannot serve God and Mammon. When enlightenment teachings are hitched to endarkment teachings, those enlightenment teachers become endarkment.
So, even if a person escapes a cult/LGAT, they can still be triggered by the 'endarkment' lying in stasis somewhere in their memory along with all the other dark characteristics associated with it?
On the part where Jesus says 'you cannot serve both God and mammon', so profoundly true, and only few are able to keep the enlightenment from being overtaken and overshadowed by the dark.
Post-landmark concentration syndrome
Posted by:
Vic-Luc
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Date: September 28, 2007 11:55PM
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Hope
Nope, Cosmo. Much of what the therapist tried to do wasn't accurate - far from it, and since the doctor did such a great job at deceiving me (and his med school, colleagues and state professional association) , the issue of how deep the deception went was not addressed, overlooked by focusing on codependency issues. I've beaten that dead horse enough. One visit with the LSW was so enlightening that all I could do was cry. She was able to help me understand the confusion and shock, which the other therapist didn't get. Unfortunately, can't afford to go to her, but we're working on changing the company policy on this, so who knows?
It is a great idea to have a directory of therapists skilled in this kind of treatment.
I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH: PSYCHIATRISTS GENERALLY ARE [b:0d039c2e1b]NOT TRAINED[/b:0d039c2e1b] IN PROVIDING COUNSELING. PERIOD. ANY GOOD PSYCHIATRIST WILL RECOMMEND SEEING A COUNSELOR ALONG WITH THE REGIMENT OF MEDICATION, IF NEEDED.
Post-landmark concentration syndrome
Posted by:
Hope
()
Date: September 29, 2007 02:43AM
I didn't go to a psychiatrist. I went to a psychotherapist who specialized in mainly verbal abuse, which I naively thought at the time was the biggest issue. Most therapists are not trained to understand problems associated with danderous groups, LGATs, etc. I did go to the free support group that the cult-specialist-LSW has and learned how similar the dynamics are, whether it is a one-on-one cultic relationship or an LGAT or other group. That was very helpful. And I just kept reading, here and all the books I could get my hands on.
Post-landmark concentration syndrome
Posted by:
Vic-Luc
()
Date: September 29, 2007 05:44AM
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Hope
I didn't go to a psychiatrist. I went to a psychotherapist who specialized in mainly verbal abuse, which I naively thought at the time was the biggest issue. Most therapists are not trained to understand problems associated with danderous groups, LGATs, etc. I did go to the free support group that the cult-specialist-LSW has and learned how similar the dynamics are, whether it is a one-on-one cultic relationship or an LGAT or other group. That was very helpful. And I just kept reading, here and all the books I could get my hands on.
Oh, I assumed by "doctor," you meant psychiatrist. My apologies. I also think psychologist who have little clinical training before being granted a Phd (or worse, an EdD) don't know practice from theory.
PsyD's, LCSWs, LPCs...these are generally counselors that have heavy, in-the-trenches therapy skills.
Post-landmark concentration syndrome
Posted by:
Hope
()
Date: September 30, 2007 09:04PM
Vic-Luc,
The "doctor" I was referring to was the one I needed therapy FOR. He was up to his eyeballs in Landmark Education and used their "technology" in his practice without informing his patients he was doing. In the aftermath, I went to a PhD in Psych, who did not know anything about Landmark (except that it is helpful for some people, she said). I wasted a short amount of time with her before I found two wonderful MLSWs who specialized in cults and their ilk.
The "doctor" I was referring to was the one I needed therapy FOR. He was up to his eyeballs in Landmark Education and used their "technology" in his practice without informing his patients he was doing. In the aftermath, I went to a PhD in Psych, who did not know anything about Landmark (except that it is helpful for some people, she said). I wasted a short amount of time with her before I found two wonderful MLSWs who specialized in cults and their ilk.
Post-landmark concentration syndrome
Posted by:
Jeri442
()
Date: September 30, 2007 09:37PM
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Posted: 12-09-2003 09:48 PM Post subject: Post-landmark concentration syndrome Reply with quote
Before my involvement with landmark as a staff member, I was in a career which required me to ingest a large volume of information on a daily basis. On a typical morning, I would read four or five newspapers front to back, and would throughout the day zip through a number of other documents and an average of 200 e-mails per day.
What follows is what a few other former program leaders and staff members have referred to in other threads...
After leaving staff, on a typical day, I can barely manage to get through one newspaper, and at times have had to stack them up until I can concentrate enough to be able to make it through a one-column article. Sometimes the pile gets high enough I end up tossing them instead.
Being able to appropriately concentrate or focus on what is in front of me is nearly impossible these days. It's taken up to a month at times just to finish a magazine. I used to read three or four novels per week, a typical novel now takes anywhere from a week to two months depending on the length and amount of concentration I can muster.
At times, it takes two hours or longer to compose one reply to a thread on the system. First there is figuring out what I want to say and how to phrase it. Then there is the first edit to ensure no jargon has leaked into the comments. Then follows the second edit to ensure that if jargon has been removed, that the reply still makes sense.
Before I ever got involved, I was a human vacuum cleaner for information, taking in everything I could, understanding it as I went along, and processing the facts to come up with a large mental reference library. Now, it takes a concerted effort to focus long enough to watch the evening news. A friend tells me this is another lingering effect of the programming.
Still looking for the route to get back to where I was before getting involved in landmark. I recall reading somewhere online that people claimed increased clarity after doing the forum... yeah right.
Perhaps why some former staff go back again? When in an environment where the programming is active, they can function?
Hope thank you for bringing this up. I too have been having problems with trying to concentrate with my daily activities every since I was involved in PSI. I used to enjoy reading and writing and find I can't concentrate on what I am reading.
I too went to a PhD for therapy and found she also didn't know anything about LGATS and the effects it's had on people. Since I've been seeing her she has started reading up on these groups and is amazed the effects this is having on people. She even told me that during her sessions with other patients, at least some not all, she has learned that they too are victims of these groups. She also does court ordered divorce counseling and has started asking couples who are ordered to counseling if one or the other has been to this training. She told me that three out of ten new couples have gone to this training and shortly after their return one or the other file for divorce. I wonder how many people simply slip through the cracks?
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