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10 years ago
Confused7609
QuotephotokotoMarvin, that is because prior to being sick or dieing, he was probably alive. Then, at some point he became sick, and then died. For him to actually be dead, all of those prior things would have had to happen, hence they're being mentioned. He is dead, and has been for SEVERAL years. I apologize for the sarcasm. That is so funny and you are so right. He died after a long tim
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
10 years ago
Confused7609
I think thet someone could judge a disagreement between Gary and another member but I doubt they would. He is very "protected" by the other members such as clan heads, super clan heads, elders, king and all of the whole bet din process. I don't mean his physical protection, I just mean all those who support him would pretty much gather around him and not much could get past. It
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10 years ago
Confused7609
QuotecorboyAnd dont forget this--in the old days, they'd price the seating at Tolle events according to proximity to him. when he still had a teaching schedule. Getting into the mass marketing/media enlightenment industry means you lose your own humanity in the eyes of your target audience. Martin Luther warned, a man who loses touch with his interior becomes his exterior. All ki
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Confused7609
I think that brainwashing is a word that can be a applied to cult abuse of the most severe type, however I feel that the terms thought reform and mind control are most relective of the insidious way that the mind is altered through cult abuse. I definitley believe that it is a contiuum as diggingdeeper said. I personally agree with what mavin said also, brainwashing is done by a clear enemy. T
Forum: Coercive Persuasion and Undue Influence
10 years ago
Confused7609
QuoteCBATESI checked his website out and for temost part it seems doctrinally sound. I'm a little hesitant with anyone that is teaching the Bible without a shred of education or instruction in the matter. I noticed a few minor problems in his theology, but nothing that seems heretical. I was just wondering if anyone out there has heard his radio program or knows any more about him.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
Confused7609
QuoteSimplyOrganicIsn't it a bit ironic that people who left the community are on rickross being anonymous while those who are still in the community are out in the open on facebook? You can feel free to post your name on here. I am sure if any one wants to go public on Facebook with you they will send you a PM and then you guys can become face friends.
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
10 years ago
Confused7609
I recently left a position in which the person in charge was a "serial bully". It was not a term I knew at the time but after reading some information from bullyeg.com I recognized the patterns immediately. The information on there was very helpful and informative. I wish I read the information from that site sooner.
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
10 years ago
Confused7609
I also believe people on here are anonymous because of fears of various threats.
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10 years ago
Confused7609
QuoteSimplyOrganicIsn't it a bit ironic that people who left the community are on rickross being anonymous while those who are still in the community are out in the open on facebook? I do not think there is anyone involved actively in this cult who is "out in the open" on facebook. They may have a facebook page but it would never mention a word about JH or any of his teachings o
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
10 years ago
Confused7609
Number ten ( my thoughts are meaningless or my thoughts do not mean anything) is one of the ones I was thinking of. It continues with my meaningless thoughts are showing me a meaningless world etc. It seemed like some of the brainwashing tactics that I read about in the link at the top of this thread, such as destablize a persons perceptions or thoughts, cause cognitive confusion and use emotio
Forum: Coercive Persuasion and Undue Influence
10 years ago
Confused7609
What about the "Course in Miracles"? Is this a type of brainwashing? There is a church that requires a year long class in this book in order to become a member. Some of the excersises in the workbook section are similar to Scientolgy, in that they are intended to "clear" your mind of thoughts and reality. It is scary, as are those scientology excerises. I have this book b
Forum: Coercive Persuasion and Undue Influence
10 years ago
Confused7609
In my experience, in the past I have frequently felt uncomfortable when co-workers have asked me about my religion or spiritual beliefs. I think maybe they were just trying to get to know me, but I always felt on the spot, worried, unsafe or even fearful. I have always felt that I have to be sort of secretive about my self. One time someone asked me how I would describe my personality and I sa
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
10 years ago
Confused7609
Many people who have left cults and experienced cult "brainwashing" or "abuse" are hypervigilant. From what I understand, the negative side of hypervigliance does border on paranoia and lack of trust is a huge component of that. The self protective or positive side to hypervigilant is that you do recognize early warning signs of difficult situations or relationships regardl
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10 years ago
Confused7609
I agree that all these fear tactics; knowing everyones thoughts, merovingians surveiling everyone (watchers), and everything else including instilled fears about the end times has caused great harm among the young people, and as Fallen has said considerable drug and alcohol abuse. SOme young people trully believed that they would not live into adulthood. It is a hard thing to reconcile these ri
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10 years ago
Confused7609
To my knowledge this is has not happened or is not the case. Thank-you for clarifying.
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10 years ago
Confused7609
I understand that many times practices continue with change of leadership however I have heard, regarding other cults, that they are getting away from this or that practice, now that someone else is in charge. Isn't that possible with this group a well? I have heard this regarding the group Jeffers headed up. Perhaps it is just propoganda but perhaps it is true. Things can change.
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10 years ago
Confused7609
QuoterrmoderatorTo whom it may concern: When someone takes over a "cult" group after the leader dies and does not change the structure of the group functionally from totalitarian to democratic, which would include meaningful safeguards and accountability, the only thing that has really changed for practical purposes is essentially only the name of the leader. If the new leader in
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10 years ago
Confused7609
To elaborate: Didn't you say to upgrade the BS detector.
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10 years ago
Confused7609
Is it duck duck goose or the emperors new clothes with the "discussion leader"?
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10 years ago
Confused7609
Cult leader and cult leader like are not the same. Word twisting. Leading and dictating are not the same.
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10 years ago
Confused7609
Controlling, bordering on abusive attitude, narcissistic. What makes you think it is all about You.
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10 years ago
Confused7609
Word twisting ie: cult leader like.
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10 years ago
Confused7609
By respecting opinions I mean not trying to control others opinions or abuse them verbally for them, not agreeing with them.
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10 years ago
Confused7609
You don't have the right to intimidate and act like a controlling cult leader either. That is what I meant and how you appear to interact. You seemed pleased and satisfied when Pequa acted very submissively to you.
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
10 years ago
Confused7609
I guess, yes. Basically who cares, especially if the BS detector has been upgraded.
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
10 years ago
Confused7609
Revisiting the past isn't an issue for me. What I do believe in, is freedom of expression and not having a leader on here, or a people who do not respect the different perspectives of others. As someone who has been subject to thought reform and control, it is important to me that it does not occur on here. There should not be a leader on here, a controlling opinion on here, nor dominant
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
10 years ago
Confused7609
I don't know what happened with that last post but I'll rewrite it. GC may not have been an actual child, but he did begin being invited to the home of JH as a minor under 18. He was "adopted" as first born at around 18years of age which suggests a "relationship" occurred prior to age 18 that would make JH desire to adopt him as first born. Thought reform, abuse an
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
10 years ago
Confused7609
Gary may not have been an actual child, but he did begin serious involvement in the home of JH at a very young age. He was "adopted" as first born around 18 years old, so that suggests a serious prior involvement to the extent that his adoption was desired by JH, when he turned 18. In my opinion his "relationship" with JH began, to a serious level, as a minor.
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
10 years ago
Confused7609
I do think JH was a self absorbed narcissist, even possible a sociopath. However I also think he was increasingly less lucid and out of touch with reality, demonstrating grandiosity and delusions. This got worse and worse and started as far back as 1997 or even before. I remember once leaving the room because he was babbling nonsense. Other people, including GC were hanging on his every word.
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
10 years ago
Confused7609
I don't know. I just can't see Gary that way. The money maybe, but not the rest of it.
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