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Re: Samuel Sagan Clairvision
Posted by: oneclickwonder ()
Date: January 08, 2024 06:24AM

check out the new thread if you haven't already, as the conversation continues. I actually didn't even know this alternate thread existed so that's why I posted this link, it is also on the cult education forum here on this website.

[forum.culteducation.com]

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Re: Samuel Sagan Clairvision
Posted by: Andromeda ()
Date: June 06, 2024 05:35AM

What does one do when someone at clairvision has been abusive to them and now this abusive person might go off to instruct others in the clairvision technique? This person is a bully and delulu and its never their mistake but its always YOUR samskaras...
Has anyone here tried to get someone out of a cult? Sounds like a bad idea but I hope this person finds the REAL help they need and not hurt other people. I hate to see innocent vulnerable people getting further harmed by such people :'(

Thank you everyone for sharing, including the other thread [forum.culteducation.com]. It's been very validating and helpful to read these comments.



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Re: Samuel Sagan Clairvision
Posted by: orangegrl ()
Date: June 11, 2024 03:30AM

Andromeda Wrote:
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> What does one do when someone at clairvision has
> been abusive to them and now this abusive person
> might go off to instruct others in the clairvision
> technique? This person is a bully and delulu and
> its never their mistake but its always YOUR
> samskaras...

I think you just described the entirety of the clairvision leadership...soooo.....

> Has anyone here tried to get someone out of a
> cult? Sounds like a bad idea but I hope this
> person finds the REAL help they need and not hurt
> other people. I hate to see innocent vulnerable
> people getting further harmed by such people :'(

Unfortunately I think there's been far more harm done by clairvision people than anything beneficial and this is likely to continue.

Trying to get someone out of a cult... well, No, I haven't really tried. Looking back at myself, I see how someone telling me this was a cult would have been pretty pointless at the time, I wouldn't have listened. Seems similar for the supposed friends I had to leave behind as well, they weren't interested to hear what I had to say about it and spouted back the typical clairvision rhetoric you mentioned about it just being your samskaras. I had to see the cult like aspects of clairvision for myself I guess... just hoping that what people have posted here might start that process for others, like you said, validating that what they are seeing and feeling isn't just them and their samskaras. Supporting that cv student that gets a wild hair and starts doing some googling about what's been written by other about their beloved school might be enough to get the wheels turning?

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