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Re: Trumpet Call of God
Posted by: SelahSelah ()
Date: July 21, 2011 01:12AM

Cults also tend to have an "us vs. them" mentality. Members are persuaded to live in a close proximity of one another. This takes care of any outside influences. Ties with friends and family beyond the cult are usually broken completely. And their former family is replaced with the cult family.

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Re: Trumpet Call of God
Posted by: SelahSelah ()
Date: July 21, 2011 01:24AM


For abusive cults, the key word is CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL by Submitting to the Leadership - leaders tend to be the absolute end, looked to as prophets of God, as specially anointed apostles. Or they can be a strong, controlling, manipulative personality who demands submission even if he changes his views or conflicts occur in doctrine or behavior. Sometimes they can be looked on as God Himself. Often to obey a leader and their teaching is equal to obeying God.

It can take time for them to gain power over the new convert, but it will eventually be there. Control is usually overwhelming and can cover most aspects of the followers' lives: Dress codes, activities, finances, time, possessions and relationships. They can dictate to the member who to see, what to do, what is the right thing to say, and how to say it. Various degrees of control can be experienced, from subtle manipulation to blatant ordering. They will expect Rigid obedience of the members time and activities - involving their followers in physically and emotionally draining activities leaving little time for privacy and reflection, or questioning their authority. Expecting one to show up when everyone else does, and everything is usually done in groups.

The methods of control which are used is usually FEAR of displeasing God the leader or both. Fear of rejection, punishment, losing ones salvation, missing the rapture, going to hell. Guilt, Fear, intimidation are Weapons used to maintain their loyalty and devotion to the group.

Intimidation and accusation are the most often used. For example, any questioning of authority is treated as rebellion, and not trusting. They suppress questions and conform to the groups behavior. They Discourage Critical or Rational Thought and Questions they will reply with comments like, "Satan is the cause of all doubt; he is keeping you from the Truth," or it will take time to understand the deep things of God. Critical thinking is discouraged being called prideful or sinful or rebellious. No independent thinking is encouraged.

They over simplify answers to life's questions, making everything for all situations as simple as black or white.

COMMAND OVER THE GROUP IN INTIMATE MATTERS: Telling one who to date or who to marry. Decisions are made by the leader as to who, and when your ready (Moonies International churches of Christ). Extremes can be no seeing the opposite sex to promiscuity in sexual relations, (Children of God), group sex (New Age Therapy groups, Some Eastern religious gurus) child sex, adultery, and polygamy (Branch Davidian's, certain Mormon sects, children of God) sex is used as an initiation into the cult (as well as occult and Satanic groups).

Sexual impurity especially among the leaders, can be common and promoted. Doctrinal deception is more than often displayed by moral deception. (Polygamy, spiritual wives, adultery, fornication and sexual sin is acceptable). The leader believes that he is above everyone or is an exception to God's laws so he may not follow his own rules.

GROUP TRUST: Confession Sessions are used to build relationships . Full disclosure of all secret sins, thoughts, temptations, desires are expressed with those you know and may not know to build up your trusting them with your life . These can become a powerful tools to emotionally bond you to the leader or group. They later can be used to manipulate, or blackmail some one if and when they decide to leave.

A DOUBLE STANDARD: There is one standard for the followers and another for the leaders can do almost anything wrong while others will be rebuked and made examples of if they do the same things.

Christ teaches that leaders should be servants of those they lead. Cult leaders exalt themselves, requiring the followers to serve them or the church’s program. Jesus said, "The greatest among you will be your servant" Matthew 23:11. He said of Himself, "The Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many" Matthew 20:28. This is a sure way to see what your involved , since what cults practice is backwards.

. The Scripture is not rightly divided. Private revelations and interpretations are added to the Word, and sometimes substitute it. Passages contradictory to the orthodox beliefs are being twisted and taken out of their context. Strong emphasis is placed upon certain passages making them their thrust in ministry. While other pertinent scriptures on essentials and practice are completely ignored. Bible scholars who give a different interpretation from the cultists' are ignored or ridiculed.

MISPLACED LOYALTY: Someone involved in an abusive system finds their of loyalty is nurtured and even demanded. Loyalty for Christ is replaced by an organization, church or leader. Because authority is usually from an individual or a group one is asked if they will be loyal to God confusing the member that to be loyal to a person or group means the same. With the Jehovah's Witnesses with their blind loyalty to whatever the Watchtower says.

ISOLATION: Information control is practiced where members of the group are not allowed or discouraged to have contact with outside family members, other ministries or Christians that could influence them. This is done to prevent information that may expose what is going on internally. They cut off or denigrating outside sources of information, especially if it is critical of the group. One is not allowed to read or converse with those who say these things or was once part of the group and left for whatever circumstances. Ties are severed with former friends and family and the circle becomes tighter as the only people you are exposed are them. one reads only their books and are discouraged or forbidden to read other books especially if one opposes their views.

If evidence is presented that they have had false prophecies or they are used to make money. The focus is shifted members are taught to question the motives or character of the person and ignore the evidence. So the focus is on the others character and not the proof that they have. They will be called emissaries of Satan so that they can’t be trusted with anything they have.

Anyone who challenges the cult's doctrine is automatically branded as an enemy which is usually anyone who disagrees. The cultists feel that they are being persecuted unfairly. On the other hand, true Christians accept persecution, knowing that it tests the genuineness of their faith. New members are told Satan will cause friends and family to say bad things about their group and that they should only trust their new family. We should expect to be persecute for the truth we have. It becomes an 'us against them' mentality. clichés are given, such as "Who is more important, God or school?' or "Don't you love God with all your heart, don’t you trust us, do you know of anyone who cares about you more?" "We are the only ones who have the truth," "don’t you want to be found faithful."

FOCUS ON AN IMAGINED ENEMY: The enemy is seen to be the government, the IRS, the Illuminati new world order UFO’s (or other conspirators) the Jews, Blacks (other ethnic groups if they are politically oriented) certain church denominations are considered the enemy. The focus shifts from inside and instead of God's truth and purpose, keeps the adherents busy towards something outside, It also stops them from looking in and really thinking things through.

END-TIME REVELATION: Special insights into the end of the world and the second coming of Jesus Christ are claimed. The book of revelation is mostly used ,among other immediate prophecies. Koresh claimed an exclusive understanding of the "seven seals" in Revelation, and believed that he was the one ordained to open them. Elizabeth C. Prophet of the church universal has prophecies from ascended masters telling about the end times.

MOTIVATIONAL TEACHING: Techniques designed to stimulate emotions, usually employing loud speaking or music with group participation, group dynamics are used to influence responses. Your overwhelmed with smiling faces and handshakes and hugs with unconditional friendship. Those who were newly invited will be asked how they liked it and told how much fun they have and what they have to offer. They will immediately become your best friend and want to know when your coming back.

Their are rules which govern churches which are often not stated or written down. Beware if they say the only statement we have is the Bible. Since the rules are not spoken verbally, you don't find out that the rule (s) exist until you've broken one. It is taken for granted that you should know them. Or you're taught them after you have joined.

The unspoken rule may come across like this: Do not disagree with the church authorities -- especially the pastor or your spirituality and loyalty will be questioned. Silence becomes a fortress wall of protection, many will shield the pastor's position of power from any scrutiny or challenge. If one questions what is said or the rules they are seen as being against them and God or divisive.

The can’t talk to others rule is probably the most consistent one used. If you speak about the problem to others, YOU JUST BECOME THE PROBLEM. You must become silent and just ignore it or will be asked to leave. Neither can you discuss things with others who left while you are still in the group or it will be considered betrayal.

CONVERSION TECHNIQUES: Conversion into a cult is done by dynamic interactions. They look for those who are new to the town or school. The easiest to involve someone is when they are weak and vulnerable they instantly become a potential recruit. This vulnerability can be enhanced by transitional situations in life such as divorce, depression, abuse, handicapped, a job or career change, moving away from home or leaving college, few friends, an illness, or death of a loved one, new to an area, loneliness, loss of job, or someone backsliding. Those whom have had numerous bad experiences with love in their lives, feel rejected by people and insecure are attracted to cults. These groups make them instantly feel accepted and superior giving them friendship and acceptance. Many people who become discontent and disappointed in their prior church experiences are open to something new, even something radically different.

The tactics used to convert, indoctrinate the members. Some groups attempt a radical and quick conversion with an intensive weekend retreat or week long seminar such as The Forum or Scientology. Others have a more subtle approach which may take weeks or months such as the Jehovah's Witnesses and International churches of Christ. Although all push for something for quicker decisions to join.

REVELATION KNOWLEDGE: Emotions, intuitions, revelations and mystical insights are promoted over the objective word. They become more important than objective conclusions and what has already been revealed in scripture Critical Thinking is discouraged , independent thought can be looked at as selfish, and rational use of intellect as evil.

MYSTICAL ALTERED STATES: The flesh is considered evil the Sprit is good (Gnosticism). Subjective experiences are accepted more quickly than constructive teaching New age uses Repetition of words, Techniques which include relaxation, chanting, hypnosis, meditation, trance states, guided imagery or visualization, deep breathing exercises - all of these bring a person into an altered state, a highly suggestible state. These techniques can cause psychological imbalance. What is relaxation becomes the opposite promoting anxiety. Many cannot handle stilling the mind or visualizing. The affects are not immediately noticed and usually catch up later.

LEADERS HAVE A PRIDEFUL UNTEACHABLE SPIRIT: The attitude that "no one can Judge me or tell me what to do" is fostered by pride the leader is in deception and promotes deception to the followers. The leader becomes untouchable by anyone. He is accountable to God only and everyone must obey what he says like it is Gods words. Included in this is the attitude that 'we are always right" from the leadership. When Hobart Freeman began Faith Assembly, loyalty to him and his teachings were to be accepted without question. To question Freeman, a self-acknowledged "prophet of God" was to risk the charge of blasphemy. Many people died including himself from his teaching on healing. This continues today by the word/faith movement and believing for your healing. All false doctrine has pride as its catalyst and arrogance as its practice.

PRIDE OF THE GROUP: We are the only ones who are right. If you are not one of us, then you are destined for hell. Correct doctrine is used by them alone to the exclusion of any others, they alone have the truth so one must join them to be saved. they have an us against them attitude which can be very dangerous.

They appoint new "inside" meanings to ordinary words or the use of an exclusive vocabulary subtly moving a person to want to become a member. A appearance of false Spirituality is given from the language. What was formerly known by a certain phrase or word now has a new meaning behind it.

BRAINWASHING: New inductees are brainwashed increment by increment, until the convert identifies with the Church and its leaders and ties with family society are broken. Many claim no one can be brainwashed if they don’t want to be. But who ever wanted to be unless they were convinced first it is a good thing. So it is disguised as what is right and true. While there are some subtle differences between mind control and brainwashing the results are the same, obedience. A systematic teaching indoctrinates members into the beliefs of the cult. This is a methodical process of seducing and deceiving. A lie is told over and over until it is accepted and believed. A reprogramming of the conscience is done by other members and systematic teachings . Certain techniques used for what is called thought reform and mind conditioning. Members are kept under physical, mental and emotional pressure they can become too fatigued to resist or think for themselves, or they become to busy as they can comply with all the groups activities.

Cults demand a strong commitment from their members. They promise rewards for being faithful to their leaders and organization. EX: one can be kept out of the tribulation if found doing God's work (JW).

Service to the church is understood as service to God. Meetings are mandatory. In the I.C.C., one's meetings will keep them so busy they will no longer have time for their friends and family, job or hobbies. They are replaced with a new family and friends and a new view of life.

The priority, rather than bringing others into a saving relationship with Christ is to have them gain membership.
Flattery is used, they can be very are crafty and everything is done with an objective. Instead of plainness, openness and honesty. They hide their real motives and teachings until they know one is ready. When they are convinced that you will do anything for God and their group, it is then that they will disclose the full extent of their teachings and mission.

DISTORTED TITHING OR EXCESSIVE GIVING: Certain members Keep track of your commitment of what your to give. they may have you write down what you can give and keep you to the obligation. More and more money is needed to attain higher degrees of spirituality (word faith, International churches of Christ), or complete submission to God requires one to give up everything to the group or leader for the cause. Give to get back from God, the more you give the more God will give back.

We must be ready to "test the spirits" (1 John 4:1), and to "beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep's (Christian) clothing" (Matthew 7:15). The key to discernment is awareness (Hosea 4:6), for how can one beware unless one is first aware. We become aware by first by familiarizing one self with the truth, but also become aware how the enemy distorts the truth to attract and snare us.

It is up to us to change society and government. Force may even be promoted. Distrust and paranoia may empower the Cult as they could feel that they are threatened and subject to attack. This causes them to stockpile food and weapons and take extreme measures to insure protection from their imagined enemies. In Christianity some want to take over the world and Christianize the government and the people so that after it is done Christ will come back.

TOTAL COMMITMENT: is expected of the followers to the leader[s]. Their commitment requires that property and money be given in the hands of the leader. Ones time, talent, and money are all at the disposal of the church or leaders. It is all focused on their mission which is interpreted as Gods. While many do use the great commission as a basic concept they change it to mean something than it actually does.

INDIVIDUALITY IS SACRIFICED FOR THE GROUP: The group's concerns supersede an individual's goals, needs, aspirations, Conformity is the key. The end Justifies the Means - Any action or behavior is justifiable as long as it furthers the group's goals. To lie to others outside the group is ok since they are serving Satan.

very strict rules in some areas and completely loose in others. Will make up extra rules to either forbid things normally done (legalism such as movies, male or female swimming) or will allow total freedom to the extreme such as in the family and sex for Jesus. There is no balance but only extremes.

MARTYRDOM COMPLEX: Cultists may be willing to die for what they believe to he true, out of loyalty to the man or God they follow. Even to the point of mass suicide as we have seen with Jim Jones, Koresh, Heavens Gate, etc. Others such as the Christian Science and Jehovah Witnesses convince individuals of suicide by denying medical treatment or blood for their life.

Are put on those who leave the group or oppose them afterwards. They are told there is no where else to go. Threats are made subtly or to their face. Once one is in there is no easy way out. The hardest part is when friends and family are involved. One will often have to give up their friendships and their family if they want to keep a good standing. That should be a red flag for anyone who hears this kind of talk.


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Re: Trumpet Call of God
Posted by: gracevslaw ()
Date: July 29, 2011 01:18AM

Saleh that is great information and it seems that this cult has everyone of these characteristics. Sad. I will check out

I have heard that there are @ least 6 members including Timothy Trent and Jayse who say they are 6 of the 144,000 prophets and Timothy says he will be transformed into a God.

In the letters those those who loves Yahweh are told to come out of the organization called church, keep the 10 commandments, the Sabbath, Holy Feasts rather than Holidays, because of the letters --The letters of God and His Christ speak harshly against the false doctrine of hell and torment and do not confirm Obama as the antichrist. They engage in all the usual cult tactics of coercion, family destruction, unquestionable authority of the leader, and a word from their god given ONLY to them. They teach heavily the end times are near and have many teachings consistant with the LDS SDA and Hebrew Roots Movement.

They scare new believers by saying if you do not believe the letters you will not go to heaven and will be excommunicated. They preach there is no hell & those who do not believe wil simply perish.

They call themselves "The Lord's Little Flock".

This group sets itself up as the supreme authority between God and Man & claims the following:

1. The Bible is seen as an insufficient guide for spiritual truth. Cult members are told to use the cult’s literature for the proper understanding of God’s truth.
2. Group leaders are seen as God’s “channel of communication” to man. They equate loyalty to the group as loyalty to God.
They foster a “we/they” mentality to the world, claiming that only inside the group can one find truth and ultimate salvation, and that outside the group is “Satan’s world.”
3. Doubt and criticism of the group or leaders are disallowed. They often claim that “independent thinking” is evidence of “pride,” and is seen as questioning God and His arrangement for life.
4. Adherents dispense personal identity for the group mold and take on the personality and characteristics of the totalistic environment of the cult.

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Re: Trumpet Call of God
Posted by: TIG ()
Date: August 10, 2011 12:58AM

I wonder what's happening with Trent, seems he's dropped off the face... well face book anyway? Also wondering if Timothy is still posting on fb?

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Re: Trumpet Call of God
Posted by: Sparky ()
Date: October 23, 2011 07:30AM

Does the recent failure (once again) of Harold Camping (Rapture was originally set for May 21, then moved up to October 21...oops!) ever shake any of the poor souls trapped in the Trumpet Call of God by it's false profit <sic> Timmy Boy?

I know Lil' Timmy thinks he actually speaks with god (small G) just like the necromancers of old and the witches of the Bible, but I think either he is intentionally on a vicious power hungry ego trip and lying to his Flucked Flock, or he is completely delusional and may need medical intervetnion as he is probably an undiagnosed schizophrenic.

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Re: Trumpet Call of God
Posted by: cult busters ()
Date: November 09, 2011 12:39PM

My wife abducted my 1 year old into this cult. she is making videos now. I will tell about my situation later. She is really brainwashed and is using this cult and God to gain her own following. Check out first hand how this cult destroys families and separates children from their parents. this cult is very deceptive. This Timothy knows what he is doing. he has trained himself in hypnosis. The letters have audio as you all know. When a person listens to these letters over and over again (as wife listen with earphone) it wires the brain. He uses a loud authoritative voice and a passive quit voice. These are known hypnotic methods. I am going after this guy he is partly responsible for my anguish I go through day and night miss my child I have only spent a year with. Anyhow here is her youtube page. Please comment on her videos maybe she will snap out of it.


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Re: Trumpet Call of God
Posted by: LLG ()
Date: November 11, 2011 02:17AM

Hi cult busters,

I'm so sorry to hear about your wife and child, I can only imagine the torture it must be to have that happen. I almost lost my kids to this cult too, only I would have been the one leaving them (based on unwillingness to bend on my new beliefs and faced with an ultimatum of bending or leaving).

That's interesting what you say about hypnosis, how did you find that out? I know what you mean about the tone of voice, and they encourage you to listen to them all the time (even while you're sleeping). I found a website several months ago which uses the same voice (for avatars you can create on the site) as the computer generated voiceovers in some of the letters and it was such a trigger. The real voices I'm sure would be even worse, and I know they were working towards replacing all the computer generated voices with real ones. I used to listen to them in my car driving to and from work, while I was doing dishes and hanging laundry, while I was on the couch with my husband watching tv (him watching, me buried in the letters), and pretty much any other time I could in between. It became an obsession.

I'm not sure my posting comments on her video would do the trick, since I'm pretty sure I'm hated in that group now. I will pray for you though, I hope you can get through to your wife and get your child back and I believe nothing is impossible with God.

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Re: Trumpet Call of God
Posted by: SelahSelah ()
Date: November 17, 2011 07:12AM

I am sorry cult busters, to be honest with you your wife's testimony as to her involvement with Amy C. is something that is very common with cults. It sounds very clear from her videos that she was in a vulnerable place at the time of her recruitment and the cult made a way for her to escape. Something that needs to be made aware is Timothy nor his wife work. They live off of Arthur's (Amy's father) stock winnings that Timothy "predicted". Amy's father gives her and her two children a monthly allowance. It should also be noted that Arthur does not fully believe in the letters.

I believe that your wife will one day come out of the group, but by then she will not be the same person. Many ex cult members are misdiagnosed as being schizophrenic. The letters are a reality to these members, to them it is a sort of hope and belonging and it gives them a pat on the head, it feeds their pride because Timothy will make it clear whether God is happy with you or not. Instead of seeking God directly like the bible tells us, Timothy says to go to him and he will ask God for you and then get back to you when it's good for him. Some of the members are unknowingly fueling this groups recruitment, because you think "well if they believe, and they aren't lunatics then it must be true!" so by being sit in background members who seem somewhat normal, instead of speaking up or leaving they are actually furthering the group's growth. Common group mentality. I think it is sick what they are doing to these people and the members will need years of extensive cult recovery, and they may think God is really like Timothy's abusive God and lose their relationships with the real God once they have left the group. I think it is definitely demonically influenced and I think several of the members are possessed by demons because they have denied the gospel for a lie and a shot at 'prophet hood' or being one of the 144,000 (which by the way like 10 of the young men have been crowned). The leaders are whitewashed tombs laying heavy burdens on the members but behind close doors, they are NOTHING like what they facade. And they will one day have to face God whether they believe in Him or not, nor whether God has turned them over to reprobate minds. Salvation is not in Timothy or the letters. Salvation is in Jesus Christ alone, the bible is quite clear on that, yet Timothy has clouded the waters for these members because most of them were not scripturally grounded from the start, so they are told not to ask any questions. Even the members who live with each other can not express their doubts to one another for fear of being reported so they all wear a mask and the cult growth continues.

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Re: Trumpet Call of God
Posted by: TIG ()
Date: November 17, 2011 08:37AM

Selah Selah it's interesting that you say that Arthur doesn't fully believe in the letters. Can you elaborate on that? I have posted things on facebook opposing the teachings of the letters and he "liked" them. I wondered if maybe he just didn't get what I was saying but if you know for sure he has doubts maybe that was the reason. Also, Tim has said that at the time Arthur was one of the few who actually would be gathered.

Also to be noted, several of the studies at trumpetcallofgodonline have been taken down. Apparently it is because they only want The Lord's words there. Funny coincidence that it just happens to be at the near end of 2011 when the studies explain that the "flock" will be gathered.

Anyone familiar with Project Bluebeam? This might ring a bell... "For the time draws hence, six days (years) less, they will not see the Thief come... then one week... then My emblazing cross shown in all the heavens and eyes of those upon the earth. Even the blind will see. ~ [Volume 3 - "Ensign"]

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Re: Trumpet Call of God
Posted by: cult busters ()
Date: November 17, 2011 08:59AM

Hey cult buster 1 here.

All I have to say is Timothy messed with the wrong persons family. I am in security I have strong intuition and can read people just by their body language I see right through Timothy's cult and the other higher ups. I have friends in the media, police force and special ops so I have good team of friends that are on stand by waiting for me to get certain things ready to deal with this man.

I have so much info on Timothy and his cult it is not funny. I know where he lives, his phone number how much he money he makes. I will never stop till my daughter is home and I have exposed this vile human being.
If my wife wants to stay with this cult that is her choice but not with my child. I know a lot about mind control and programming which is what he uses, hypnosis is one of them. The letters cause people to dream dreams my wife had many dreams because she would listen to the letters with ear phones right before bed this puts the person in a lucid dream state.

I know this cults language. Timothy knows and (I believe) how the mind works. He also can tell how lost his followers are he has studied the workings of cults as I have also since My wife got mixed up with this cult. My wife is very prideful and wants the attention she never had growing up. She was dropped of to a controlling and spoiling grandmother at age 7. she was into drugs, satanism and the new movement and many fear based traumatic experiences, this causes the mind to splinter off in to many different sections in the mind and can cause multiple personality disorder. Before the cult my wife was messed up, yet at the same time she knew how to wear a mask very well and hide it she was so good at hiding it I even pushed my gut feeling about something being wrong with her many times when we first met. I gave her a chance to be real but she had no identity from lack of knowing her parents and everything she went through. Tiara in her videos you can see the emptiness in her eyes. I feel for My wife but at the same time I am angry because when I told her this man Timothy is a false prophet she did not listen. Even when I gave blatant proof of this man's false claims, but it was too late. I feel for all of you who were taken in by Timothy's sweet lie sandwiches( two pieces of lie with some truth in the middle).

I Thank THE LORD that HE delivered you from that nightmare. I tell you this... all who came out of this trap and are healing from this I have much love and respect for you, as I know that this is where most of the damage is, when you leave. Just know that we all have been deceived in one way or another.

Do not beat yourself up The devil is a good liar and so is Timothy. But lies crumble and his lie is starting to crumble. If it is not to hard to watch please watch this video of my wife being programmed. look at her face deep down inside she knows it is wrong. I just want your feedback to confirm what I see in this video. The lady Amy Chavez is almost yelling at her and you can see my wife's frustration. If any one has any information on this lady Amy Chavez please let me know. She helped abduct my child.

Thank you LLG and SelahSelah May THE LORD Bless you and keep you. He made you stronger and more aware of cults and brainwashing. Our subconscious is a intricate thing and when it is targeted and attacked it is hard to know at first.

here is the video

May continue to THE LORD bless you
Cult buster 1

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