FCSLC:

The issue you have raised has actually been the direction the movement has taken by default over the last decades, in spite of continued abuses. With diminishing credibility in the founding doctrine, the only thing that remained was a stratified hierarchy with no substantive vision. The only other option has been assimilation, from kingdom schools to neighborhood school(s), slave labor camps (kingdom businesses) to legitimate ones, and from isolation to reaching out, especially in Brazil.

The irony of the situation has been an alignment with the simplicity of the Gospel (with the attendant religious baggage), and an almost complete repudiation of a cult doctrine of apostles and prophets reigning over everyone.

LOVE has no desire to lord it over anyone.

Fatalism

I had a conversation with my friend who had the JRS arranged big fat wedding. My friend was discouraged because he still has family in TLWF and he doesn't think TLWF will ever change...it is what it is....he says. I said, you once thought the Kingdom would come in 1979 and JRS would achieve resurrection life and sonship. Until 1983. Who knew? No one did. We never know whether the best of times or the worst of times will last or change.

I watch the History Channel. Who knew the controlling personality cult Nazi dictatorship would be defeated in 1942 and gone by 1945.

In 1948, Jews around the world began to reunite with family in a homeland. Who knew?

Who knew the Cold War would end in 1987 and the Berlin wall would fall in 1989 and families would be reunited?

Saw enough once posted regarding TLWF....can a leopard change its spots? (Jer 13:23). Actually, they can. Scientific analysis of the evolutionary history of animal coat patterns shows they can arise and disappear rather quickly. So can religious movements.

My two cents to my friend, don't give up hope and resist fatalism.

lily rose Wrote:
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> I watch the History Channel. Who knew the
> controlling personality cult Nazi dictatorship
> would be defeated in 1942 and gone by 1945.

It's been a while since the Nazis have been mentioned in this forum, and rather have it go by quickly, I would like to extend the theme and share a couple paragraphs from a book I've been reading--'In the Garden of Beasts' (Love, Terror, and an American Family in Hitler's Berlin). The paragraphs reference a observation of the US Ambassador to Germany (William Dodd) as the Nazi party was quickly becoming a mass movement in 1933:
"The thing that weighed on Dodd the most, however, was the irrationality of the world in which he now found himself. As a historian, he had come to view the world as a product of historical forces and the decision of more or less rational people, and he expected the men around him to behave in a civil and coherent manner. But Hitler's government was neither civil nor coherent, and the nation lurched from one inexplicable moment to another.
Even the language used by Hitler and party officials was weirdly inverted. The term "fanatical" became a positive trait. Suddenly it connoted a happy mix of courage and fervent devotion. Nazi-controlled newspaper reported an endless succession "fanatical vows" and "fanatical declarations" and "fanatical beliefs," all good things."
pg. 133-134

O.K.--I hope everyone got their Nazi/Hitler fix. I'll try to give this type of analogy a rest...hopefully, for at least a couple more months :)

I want to tell you guys that I appreciate all the prayers,,,, that said, i have something you need to know, anybody that is putting off going to get checkups, my wife was seeing up to four different chirapractors in the time that she was dying of cancer, finally one of them looked at an MRI and told her to get to a doctor. But three of them that were adjusting her, or using one of those stupid little clicker things which does nothing much, they didn't realize that she had broken ribs, a broken hip, broken pelvis and broken sternum. Among other things. She had advanced bone cancer. So, if you put your trust in the chiropractors, you might want to reconsider. The fact is one of these guys actually traveled with the Atlanta Falcons at one time, and all of them were considered pretty good at their work. Just sayin,,,GET A CHECKUP....

changedagain your post got me thinking about the comparison previous posters have made to the Nazis and TLWF which I didn't fully understand.

I am pretty tolerant of some religious ideas that seem irrational but I am not tolerant of lording it over folks. For example, the LW belief in resurrection life is a tolerable notion (who isn't looking for the fountain of youth) and a belief in the MSOG also tolerable (walking through walls could be cool.) But lording it over folks and controlling their personal life decisions about education, employment, marriage, divorce, family, and children....that to me is a fanatical idea that subjects one to falling prey to control and manipulation that can harm.

Yes, religious fanaticism has led men to burn their neighbors but I think fanaticism has nothing to do with religion but with human nature. As you pointed out, during the Third Reich, Nazi irrationalism and fanaticism was running rampant. No one seemed to blink and eye as the nation state assumed the right to control everyday life in Germany. Ultimately, the Nazis made decisions about their citizens that harmed millions.



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FCSLC Wrote:
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> Will TLWF become a church without boundaries?
> Associating, accepting, regarding as equal and
> understanding as relevant the differing aspects of
> God manifested in each individual on planet Earth?
> Instead of thinking about ruling and reigning,
> will they settle for being a team member among the
> billions? I suppose this type of miracle could
> happen!

Unfortunately, this is more or less orthogonal to the whole premise of religion. There always seems to be this "we are right" and everyone else is at least a little bit wrong that seems to permeate all religious groups -- it is why there are so many religious groups in the first place. I would say this was never more evident than in TLW but that would not be true, it is evident in so many of them -- even in many of the main stream acceptable ones.

The whole premise of TLW seemed to be that we were something special, we had some sort of "secret sauce" that the rest of Christianity had missed.

However, if TLW (or any movement) got to what you suggest, it really would be something special and would probably change the world.

Jewel

HEADLINE NEWS: "God Will Gather The Nations For Judgment"

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April 13, 2016

"It challenges traditional interpretations of the end time (by using the exact same scriptures that have been used for centuries to instill fear) and emphasizes that it is God who is gathering the nations for judgment (and thus perpetuating the stereotype of a vengeful God)."

Save your $$$ and thus SAVE the planet.

kBOY Wrote:
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> HEADLINE NEWS: "God Will Gather The Nations
> For Judgment"
>
> [www.garyandmarilynhargrave.com]-
> will-gather-the-nations-for-judgment/
> April 13, 2016

I personally don't believe Paraguay deserves judgement. I have decided to intercede on its behalf.

I hear tell that the Nephilum are here--AGAIN. Didn't they arrive over 40 years ago along with the Operating Thetans and Space aliens? Maybe they should all meet for coffee in the cloud and ask Marilyn who she wants to be the winner. Oh, yes, judgement is mine sayeth Marilyn. Here we go again.......Sons of God to the rescue.... gonna get those rat bastards.

I think it is amazing how the Walk went full circle. I wonder if JRS were to wake up and see what he married and what he put in charge of all that he worked to build all his life, I would love to see his face knowing that those two supported the Pope, a socialist Pope, a Pope that calls for a one world religion that includes all of Christianity and Islam as well as all other religions, I would like to see JRS double talk an explanation of how the apostle of the apostles, the most important of all people on Earth, could have been so duped.

Those two joined together and deliberately took the whole house of cards right out the his hands, and made him happy to give it away. JRS was a dumb a$$, there is no way anybody in their right mind could consider him anything else.