I would say, the reason I kept going back to Desteni was because I felt, besides all the supposed portasailing, excuse me, portal ning, and besides telling people that they had to be bald, to be "free", that there was something inherently good about their word. Speaking out for true equality, where we can express ourselves without fear of judgement, is certainly a step in right direction, its only a matter of will, and to a certain degree, I do believe we have the ability to choose between good and evil.

I did not mean to come in here and speak out against Desteni and make them seem evil, if that is how it seemed, please forgive me.

Thanks,
Wisdom

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I do believe we have the ability to choose between good and evil.

It is not as simple as that. Often a situation is rarely presented in such a way that a newcomer can see a clear difference between 'good' and 'evil'.

Too often, something that turns out to to be exploitative starts out with good intentions, and the leader become corrupted by the leadership role.

and very often, persons are recruited and *not told* clearly and up front exactly what the project's actual dogma is.

Without being given complete information at the very start about the history of the project, its actual belief system/ideology and its actual treatment of persons have committed themselves and gone to live on their farm, a potential recruit doesnt have a clear choice between good and evil.

And in social sitautions that are isolated, one can lose access to ones adult capacity to make willed choice. At the beginning the persons in this experiment were told they were free to leave at any time.

But as they become more and more involved in their assigned roles of guards and prisoners, they forgot they were free to leave.

Persons following Destini closely also posted this. Persons from these kinds of backgrounds will have difficulty making willed clear discernment between good and evil--difficult to appreciate if one is still just in ones' early twenties.


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The Desteni cult targets naive, disillusioned New Agers looking for something less airy-fairy or less capitalistic than the New Age Movement, but it is also aimed at and attracts individuals with mental health problems, a history of criminal activity and/or maladjusted or alienated people confused about basic social, sexual or psychological issues.

There are numerous examples of this at the Desteni forum. Here are a few:

This one says they were psychotic, suffer from adrenaline burnout, had a nervous breakdown etc:

Hi everybody & some help needed
[desteni.co.za]

Another is into child porn and is confused about it:

Sharing addiction experience on children pornography?

[desteni.co.za]

NiklasNydahl says he was addicted to extreme violent porn and got cured of it through Desteni:

Stopping Porn for World Equality
[www.youtube.com]

Hi! Im Malin
[desteni.co.za]

describes how Malin was physically and mentally abused by her father who also raped her sister.

Anthony Wilson talks about how he was addicted to 'heroin and marijuana/hashish though I have seriously toxicated myself with cocaine crack cocaine ecstasy amphetamine barbiturates and other pharmaceutical depressants glue/solvents and opiate substitutes over more than 30 years':

[desteni.co.za]

Marley Dawkins was into gang crime:

My Gang Experiences
[www.youtube.com]


Obviously not all Desteni members are from these kinds of backgrounds, but it is surprising how often posts like these end up on their forum. The standard response is just to encourage them to keep reading the material, sign up for the courses, to v-log and blog etc.


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This was learned in the Stanford Prison Experiment.

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An earlier discussion page on Destini worth re-reading



[forum.culteducation.com]

Isn't the most obviously fake thing about Desteni, the 'Portal' ? doesn't this really cast doubt on anything else they say, and why they say it ?

An interesting discussion here on another venue

A couple of entries at the very beginning. The whole thread goes on for considerable length

[www.godlikeproductions.com]

Interesting observation here at the very beginning

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These videos if you watch them long enough as I have for a few days completely talk in circles and if you were to totally follow them for a long enough period of time they would make you totally insane.

Good is bad but yet bad is good...dark is light and light is dark....they are not self serving but charge craploads of money for their sessions which to me is self serving..

We are all one but yet be one in yourself....be complete as one and on and on and on.

The videos totally contradict themselves many times say there is no heaven but yet there is a heaven...there are demons but wait there really aren't demons anymore but then demons come and talk? Demons giving advice? Angels are bad and demons are good. There isn't a god but yet there is a god sometimes when it fits her video at that present time?? Anu created us but yet we create us and our reality...well which the hell is it??? lmao!

I am sad to say I followed for a bit...curiosity..it was amazing the acting abilities this girl has if anything..but the messages kept getting more reversed and crazy and glad I found some good insight from others here on this forum.

These people have thousands following them..charging $1200 per session if you really want to get into their whole save the world and humanity team. But yet they are all for equality and against the super wealthy people of the world?? Come on...another get rich with religion scheme!

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I've seen a few of her vids now and my impressions are that her heart is mostly in what most of us would call the right place. I tend not to believe that she can channel anything other than imagination, preconceive ideas and learned protocal. I think it takes a little more than a deep breath with eyes closed to change brain states. When I look at her I see a hypnotised child living out programing-yet far from all bad.

I do not believe her heart or anyone who has helped her create this..this belief hearts are in the right place.

I believe they know exactly what they are doing and know the goal where they want this to take them. Power, money, greed, dominance (same as power basically) dictatorship etc is what runs their hearts and their minds.

Answer me this. If this Anu character really was enjoying his creation of this existence..and he was that intelligent to create all of this....why would he also create intelligent beings who would eventually try to defy him and then supposedly suceed in taking him down?

This would make a totally cool comic book story! But sad to say it is involving innocent people who are looking for direction and something to believe in. She is separating people from their loved ones and worst of all from themselves...their own minds.

Speaking of minds. If our minds were soo bad....wasn't it all in someones mind to start this whole thing? All of this entire load of crap is one big contradiction after another.
We as grown adults can see this..but our kids..younger adults who are wanting to fit in and find their place in this world are being sucked in....and that is wrong.

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Ok one more point....this is an excerpt quoted exactly from a message from their site...please let us view the following paragraph(s)directly from the site itself:

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Several people will have a reaction of ´fear´ towards Desteni - as Desteni stands for Equality of Life and the End of all systems of abuse and of separation.
Thus in fact this ´fear´ is fear of Self as who we all really are. Within this is `fear of losing´ that which self has defined self by and as.
Because if you look at it, all systems of the world exist within and as self, including self-abuse, self-dishonesty, self-deception, manipulation and dishonor of Life.
Thus some will `prefer´ to `hold onto´ their beliefs and self-definitions; And specifically those that are having a life perceived to be ´easy´ and `working´, Equality of Life as who we all really are will often be feared because it will be perceived as a threat to their `belongings´, their `special treats´ and all that which self has identified with.

Thus in fact this fear is ´fear of death´ -death of what self has defined self by and as- thus in essence it is ´fear of Life´ as who we all really are.

Ok....so if you notice this is all about the people who so called "fear them" Pay attention about three fourths into it where it says "specifically those that are having a life perceived to be easy and working" So basically what they are saying is that they are praying on the weak, the ones who don't have life easy or their lives are working. This is just another way cults operate. They do go after people's weaknesses. And sooooo many contradictions just in those few words alone shows just how wishy washy their belief system is

I don't mind people believing what they want to believe. But I do feel this is so very cult-like and that concerns me. It will be interesting to see where this all leads and if this "group" grows and gains a lot of followers. I hope not...but we shall see.
Ok I am done with my rant. Thanks for reading me.

Thanks Corboy and Natasha

I see that there is a real concern here:

I was immersed in the shit for awhile and used their forum. I see it for what it is now, I stopped because of the satanic forces (that I am now aware of) that are at work, because the material is inherently occultish. I didn't want to be a skinhead zombie.

Then:
I would say, the reason I kept going back to Desteni was because I felt, besides all the supposed portasailing, excuse me, portal ning, and besides telling people that they had to be bald, to be "free", that there was something inherently good about their word. Speaking out for true equality, where we can express ourselves without fear of judgement, is certainly a step in right direction, its only a matter of will, and to a certain degree, I do believe we have the ability to choose between good and evil.

I did not mean to come in here and speak out against Desteni and make them seem evil, if that is how it seemed, please forgive me.

Thanks,
Wisdom

I don't know how to take these two posts. I personally find it very disturbing. Can you explain
the 360 on your feelings toward the desteni cult? Maybe I've read this wrong, forgive me if I have. You seemed to want to help out with ? we had about the desteni cult.

Posted in 2008 on another website

Here is a interesting post from godlike productions about Destini. I am ignoring the critiques based on Destini being a malign astral form as I dont think and make decisions using such material My preferred line of approach is sociological and psychological, so those are the posts I select.

[www.godlikeproductions.com]

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People in that site are so pathetic.

Someone asked here “what do you know about Desteni, Poolman or any other of the members to attack them?” and I ask them “what do THEY know about the people that created a site one year ago and since then they have been posting and vlogging?”.

There are only ten or eleven insane psychopaths that have joined seriously that cult, the rest of us simply spend a few days reading and watching videos because we have nothing better to do. Then we get bored and we simply stop wasting our time with that.

Yes Desteni works perfectly as a cult. They do not get money out of it yet. One year is not time enough to brainwash effectively.

But look to some of that people. They say that family, society, jobs enslave us (which I absolutely agree in a way), so some of those ignorant people leave their husbands (Catherine, Marianne), leave their partners because they are “dishonest” (Darryl), quit their jobs (Herbert, Dulcinea), fly to South Africa to spend their holidays as they didn’t have anything better to do in summer (Matti, Bella), spend hours and hours because they have too much free time but do not take it seriously enough (Ingrid, Ivan), quit drugs (Andrew, Talamon), and so on.

Then there are those teenagers that have nothing better to do (Ann, Leila, Emmanuel, Marlen). Cult bait. They are simply being isolated so Desteni will be the only thing they have left.

Desteni has given a good reason to all those frustrated wives, frustrated workers and bored illiterates to change their pathetic life. They wanted to leave their husbands, jobs or friends but they were too coward to take a decision so they simply needed someone telling them “break down with the family matrix, social shit, schooling and working enslaving system”, and they did it. So sad.

They do not even care if all that is a fake. It works perfectly as an excuse for them. And this came up simply in one year. Let’s just see what will be of these people in another year time.

I can even know by the way they write that Ann, Darryl, Leila, and some more have left some pro-Desteni posts here. They all speak in the same way, empty words that sound magnificent but that mean nothing, They are so predictable and nescient that I am not surprised that people like that get involved with cults. The day Desteni stops working, they will simply look for another cult to have a sense of belonging.

This is not the first time a Bernard Poolman wants to create his own cult for nurturing his ego. It will not be the last one either.

I forgot to say that my name is Bill and I have been banned 3 times or more.
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(and another discussant wrote)

Why are all her "readings" 10 minutes long?

Just so they fit on youtube?

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Note this was written on page 4 of the thread in 2008. Things may have changed in the past 3 years.

For the most recent contributions 2009 to the godlikeproductions.com thread concerning Destini, go to page 8. Then read your way backwards.

You have to deal with some posts in which people who believe in distance healing and channelling try to discuss Destini within the catagories provided by the New Age belief system.

Others come from a more mainstream, journalistic ethical approach. Such as Captain Pancakes.

[www.godlikeproductions.com]

Okay, I goofed. Turns out that page 8 is at the midpoint of the Destini discussion thread on Godlike productions

What you want to reach posts that are recent is page 12.

But that thread is clearly worth reading all 12 pages of.

[www.godlikeproductions.com]

I guess I shouldn't be more or less horrified to go to the desteni cult fourm and read a blog
about Steve Jobs. Granted the author did start out with a few sympathetic remarks towards
the late Steve Jobs family, friends etc. Then to my horror, he went on to talk about Jobs
making billions and leaving empty handed ....HUH? Why would anyone be so insensitive as
to say, let alone think this way. Just to make the desteni cult point of equal money, which
the author seemed to wish that Jobs had joined.

How ironic! If Steve Jobs and those around him didn't invest their money and time in what they
believed would be major change in our world for the millons and millons who enjoy, work, and
invent, where would the "online desteni cult' be today???? No where! A few people in sa
wondering where their next mortgage payment was coming from. Not that it's much further than
that anyway.

So instead of taking the death of a wonderful inavative man to use as the subject in your ranting blogs,
go back to something that no one understands.



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